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RunKC 06-19-2013 05:35 PM

I think luck was a big part of it too.

4th and 26? Probably one of the craziest plays in NFL history. Never thought they would get that.

mcaj22 06-19-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave (Post 9763118)
And then you went on to list some shitty QBs.

Bono LMAO

Steve Bono went 13-3 that year. That's no different than people arguing for Reid saying "he made Jeff Garcia/AJ Feeley look good"

It's the same thing. They are are on the same level with QB development, McCarthy might have the edge in that too

but what McCarthy absolutely crushes Andy Reid in, is game management. Ask any Eagles fan.

Rausch 06-19-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9763243)
I think he'll get better numbers from Smith than Harbaugh, but that is simply a function of more attempts.

He'll still get the middle of the pack game manager that Harbaugh got out of him.

This is what worries me. It took SF years to Dilfer him to the point he could be effective and now we're trying to make him a gunslinger.

milkman 06-19-2013 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9763464)
This is what worries me. It took SF years to Dilfer him to the point he could be effective and now we're trying to make him a gunslinger.

No, a gunslinger is a guy that takes his shots all game.

Tight windows, deep balls.

Andy Reid is going to turn him into a pop gun.

Quick short passes, slants, screens, with an occassional shot over the top.

Mav 06-20-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9763464)
This is what worries me. It took SF years to Dilfer him to the point he could be effective and now we're trying to make him a gunslinger.

You are looking at this only half way. Alex Smith, couldn't even dilfer his way under Nolan and Singletary. They wanted to run run and throw, and in the nfl, you cant always live in 3rd and forevers. I have tried on numerous occasions to explain this. And im being very respectful to you about this because you are always courteous to me. Alex Smith, or any qb, had zero chance at success under Nolan, and Singletary. While the rest of the league values the qb, those guys didn't. They just didn't. They valued their defenses, and their running games. We only just saw the past two years, any potential of what Alex Smith could be. Now, myself, im very pessimistic as to whether Alex Smith can be opened up to being more than he was the past two years. I think that Nolan, and Singletary, completely broke him, not mentally, but they preached about not making mistakes so much, and in the NFL, as the qb, you have to be willing to take chances. Now, can Andy Reid trigger that in him? We as niner fans saw a glimpse of that in his last full start against Arizona. He made plays in that game, that he hadn't made in his entire career.

Hammock Parties 06-20-2013 01:34 PM

AGAINST THE CARDINALS! WOW!

mcaj22 06-20-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9764929)
AGAINST THE CARDINALS! WOW!

lol

Mav 06-20-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9762971)
Jeff Garcia was a pretty damn good QB in San Francisco.
And he was ****ing terrible in Cleveland, and in Detroit, and mediocre in Tampa Bay. You love to call people out all the time, but you make a lot of stupid statements.
Reid runs a QB friendly system, and he's good at putting his QBs in position to succeed.

I believe he could have done the same for Cassel.

But unlike a Sean Payton or a Mike McCarthy, he's not developing these guys into outstanding QBs.

He just does a good job of masking the deficiencies, much like Charlie Weis.

On another note, to the idiot that suggested that the Packer defense fueled that Packer SB run.

You are ****ing dumbass
.

What ever you have to tell yourself. You should go back and look at that run. Their defense was HORRID during the regular season, but was LIGHTS OUT in the playoffs. Do some research before you go to calling people a dumbass, or do you not remember that it was in fact, BJ RAJI, with the game clinching INT for a td that sealed the super bowl. And, IM the dumbass lol.
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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9763132)
A 75.4 QB rating is good?



Jeff Garcia had always been a good QB.
Terrible in Cleveland, Terrible in Detroit, average in Tampa Bay........
Michael Vick was a big wet fart in Philly.

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9763219)
And yet still better than Alex Smith.

Reid is not going to get more out of this guy than Harbaugh did. You are delusional if you believe that.

Lol, Yes, you know this how? Alex Smith will have a career year under Reid this year. I tried to bet you on this a couple months ago, but you bitched out, so its not for discussion. But, Alex Smith, has gotten better every year since 2009. There is no reason to believe that with the full support, of his head coach, that you should expect him to fail. I could be wrong, but I would bet more on him succeeding, faster than I would him failing.

Mav 06-20-2013 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9764929)
AGAINST THE CARDINALS! WOW!

Well yes. The very same cardinals that the week after, PICKED OFF MATT RYAN 5 TIMES. Yes, the cardinals.........

18/19 with three tds, against anyone is impressive......

care to argue?

Mav 06-20-2013 01:47 PM

Clay, I am glad that you can enjoy this offseason with such pessimism. Gonna suck for you during the regular season when the Chiefs are actually winning, and Alex Smith isn't sucking like you are trying to hard to have everyone believe. Im sure you will rage and destroy your computer........

mcaj22 06-20-2013 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9764980)
Well yes. The very same cardinals that the week after, PICKED OFF MATT RYAN 5 TIMES. Yes, the cardinals.........

18/19 with three tds, against anyone is impressive......

care to argue?

49ers defense held Arizona to 5 yards rushing. I guess Alex Smith does have all the time to put up nice stats when his #1 defense gives him good field position and the Arizona defense is relying on John ****ing Skelton to score them points/move the ball

ShortRoundChief 06-20-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9765097)
49ers defense held Arizona to 5 yards rushing. I guess Alex Smith does have all the time to put up nice stats when his #1 defense gives him good field position and the Arizona defense is relying on John ****ing Skelton to score them points/move the ball

So basically if he does good it's because of someone else, however, if he steps in poo it's all on him.

That's what we refer to as a double standard.

BigMeatballDave 06-20-2013 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9763296)
Steve Bono went 13-3 that year. That's no different than people arguing for Reid saying "he made Jeff Garcia/AJ Feeley look good"

It's the same thing. They are are on the same level with QB development, McCarthy might have the edge in that too

but what McCarthy absolutely crushes Andy Reid in, is game management. Ask any Eagles fan.

LMAO Bono was the King of game managers.

Mav 06-20-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9765097)
49ers defense held Arizona to 5 yards rushing. I guess Alex Smith does have all the time to put up nice stats when his #1 defense gives him good field position and the Arizona defense is relying on John ****ing Skelton to score them points/move the ball

Again. 18/19, 3 tds, no picks, and that same defense, IN ATLANTA, forced Matt Ryan who is a much better qb than Alex Smith, into 5 ints. Take it, twist it, however you want. He had his best game of his career, and one pass away from going down as the all time leader in completions in a game. The only reason he didn't get it, was he didn't throw a pass.
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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9765213)
So basically if he does good it's because of someone else, however, if he steps in poo it's all on him.

That's what we refer to as a double standard.

No, those are the Alex rules. And, if you defend them, you are called an alex sexual, or an alexexcuser. There aren't ordinary rules when it comes to Alex Smith. It's Alex's fault that the 49ers have an elite defense, its alex smiths fault that they had elite special teams, and an elite run blocking oline, and an elite running game. That is all alex smiths fault. That's the way this game is played.

Hammock Parties 06-20-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9764980)
Well yes. The very same cardinals that the week after, PICKED OFF MATT RYAN 5 TIMES. Yes, the cardinals.........

18/19 with three tds, against anyone is impressive......

care to argue?

He threw for 232 yards.

If this is the benchmark for "WOW WHAT A GAME BY ALEX" I'm horribly disappointed.


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