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Mr. Laz 09-20-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10001836)
Jackson did a pretty hefty re-structure of his contract and I can't disagree with you here. He's been decent to good for the last half of last year and these first three games.

He's going to be forever haunted with the 1.3 draft pick; but at least he isn't making that sort of money anymore.

he wasn't worth the 1.3 pick but i think he's only making 4.5 million now

If they want to keep him around at that price ... works for me

saphojunkie 09-20-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10001858)
Eric Winston wouldn't be playing this poorly, even if he's not a good fit for Reid's offense.

Just thaying.

fixed it

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10001781)
I love that you think where a guy was drafted affects the quality of his performance four years later.

"That sack isn't worth the same amount! He was a first rounder! That other guy got a sack and he was a sixth rounder! Therefore he's a better player!"

God you people are myopic.

If you spend a million dollars on R&D for a product that makes the company $20k annually, your ass gets fired. If you spend $35k on R&D for a product that makes the company $20k annually, you get promoted.

How can you be this ****ing stupid?

El Jefe 09-20-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10001627)
And he's also the 1st overall pick. No excuses.

Matt Kalil
Trent Williams
Jason Smith
Jake Long
Joe Thomas

Those are the last 5 OT's to be taken Top 5.

4 of the 5 were studs from Day One.

As they should be.

Meh. As long as he progresses, that is enough for me. He looked terrible at times, and good at times. This has to change, I agree with you on that, but I am willing to give it some time. Look at DJ, we all wrote him off as never going to live up to expectations, and look at him now. I understand Fischer was the #1 pick, but for the time being, he has the benefit of the doubt (for me anyways).

El Jefe 09-20-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10001874)
If you spend a million dollars on R&D for a product that makes the company $20k annually, your ass gets fired. If you spend $35k on R&D for a product that makes the company $20k annually, you get promoted.

How can you be this ****ing stupid?

Grasping for straws on this one? This is hardly applicable to your scenario.

El Jefe 09-20-2013 11:34 AM

^Too many other factors to consider IMO.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by El Jefe (Post 10001945)
Grasping for straws on this one? This is hardly applicable to your scenario.

The **** it's not.

Tyson Jackson was drafted with the 3rd overall pick and given 57 million dollars. He was drafted and paid like a player who should be a franchise cornerstone, not a one-dimensional defensive end.

By all means, if you want to finish 2-14 continue to load up on top three picks like Tyson Jackson. Meanwhile, teams that actually win in the playoffs will take players who can give you that level of production in the 3rd-5th rounds.

For the level of investment, Tyson Jackson is a horrible ****ing player, just like for the level of investment Matt Cassel was a horrible ****ing player. If Cassel was given the league minimum and told to battle it out for the 3rd QB spot he's an asset. When he's your franchise player, you be ****ed.

The mere fact that this has to even be explained is absolutely flabbergasting.

saphojunkie 09-20-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10001977)
The **** it's not.

Tyson Jackson was drafted with the 3rd overall pick and given 57 million dollars. He was drafted and paid like a player who should be a franchise cornerstone, not a one-dimensional defensive end.

By all means, if you want to finish 2-14 continue to load up on top three picks like Tyson Jackson. Meanwhile, teams that actually win in the playoffs will take players who can give you that level of production in the 3rd-5th rounds.

For the level of investment, Tyson Jackson is a horrible ****ing player, just like for the level of investment Matt Cassel was a horrible ****ing player. If Cassel was given the league minimum and told to battle it out for the 3rd QB spot he's an asset. When he's your franchise player, you be ****ed.

The mere fact that this has to even be explained is absolutely flabbergasting.

You're spinning your wheels and are flat-out wrong. Your complaint is about the contract, not the play.

The reason your ass gets fired for spending $20 million on R&D is because you could have gotten the same return for 1/100 of the investment. It's not the product development that is at fault, it is the initial commitment to its research.

How are you this ****ing dumb?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2013 11:49 AM

Nice counterargument.

saphojunkie 09-20-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10002004)
Nice counterargument.

Thanks.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10001999)
You're spinning your wheels and are flat-out wrong. Your complaint is about the contract, not the play.

The reason your ass gets fired for spending $20 million on R&D is because you could have gotten the same return for 1/100 of the investment. It's not the product development that is at fault, it is the initial commitment to its research.

How are you this ****ing dumb?

The player, the quality of the play and the contract are inextricably tied to one another. The player does not exist in a vacuum. If he did, Eric Fisher is not on an NFL roster right now.

You'd think someone who posts on a sports-based message board would understand that players are only as good as the surplus value they provide for you.

A 2.0 WAR player making $20 million is not the same as a 2.0 WAR player making $800k.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10002010)
Thanks.

That was sarcasm applied before you went in and edited your post in another erroneous attempt to prop up a bullshit-laden line of ignorance.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2013 12:02 PM

Here's the rather elementary fact that seems totally lost on you: there are a fixed number of assets that NFL teams have. You only have so much money you can spend under the cap (even if you want to circumvent via bonuses), you only have so many draft picks and you only have so many roster spots.

In a game with fixed assets, the players that occupy your premium draft picks, take up massive chunks of the salary cap, and draw huge compensation are absolutely held up to a higher standard than those paid at near the minimum wage.

That's why higher things are expected of a CEO than a line worker. That's why an Editor is held to a higher standard than the guy loading the papers into the back of the truck, and it's why Tyson Jackson's play, while fine if he were drafted at the position Alex Magee was, is wholly inadequate.

He got the big check and the high draft pick. With that comes responsibilities, and he hasn't lived up to those responsibilities. He hasn't produced to a level commensurate with his compensation, and that's why he's criticized.

RealSNR 09-20-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 10001870)
Sweet burn. Listen why don't you take your amazing detective skills and apply them to Geno Smith's stats. Or is it too soon for him?

Here I'll start you off...

39/73 470 yards 53.4% 1 TD 4 INT 55.2 rating

Geno Smith is a 2nd round QB on a terrible team.

Eric Fisher is a super-safe "just get this pick right" #1 overall piece of shit, who even if he plays decent but not great will be overshadowed by the player who was here before him and under contract for several more years (Winston).

But by all means, they're the same player, right?

RealSNR 09-20-2013 12:16 PM

Also, Fisher was supposed to stabilize our changing OT situation amidst Albert's contract issues, right?

Does anybody feel comfortable moving him to LT, now? I sure as **** do not.

At the end of the season, Branden Albert may as well print out the details of Duane Brown's contract, waltz over to Dorsey's office, and say, "The bidding starts here, mother****er."


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