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The Franchise 03-22-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14174203)
Yes.

Because of the versatility and what he could free up Spags to do with Mathieu. If you're arguing for Rapp, that's how you're doing it (I just like Adderly more).

You could have two almost completely interchangeable safeties who could go into the box or back into coverage on any given snap. Hell, they could slip into short zones or even the slot and free up some interesting blitz possibilities. It really makes it tough to guess how to deploy route combinations or even protections when you don't know who's gonna be going up/back, releasing or running.

I think that's probably what Crow envisions with Thornhill; I simply think Adderly plays with a litte more edge and a brings a little better skill in space. And I think that's what the Rapp fans are envisioning as well, but I don't think Rapp has the agility/fluidity to be a real asset in single-high. If I'm comparing Thornhill to Addrerly I'm comparing Rapp to Abrams.

I think Adderly can be the second swiss army knife back there that opens up a lot of possibilities.

Think he's worth trading up for? Or would you be content with getting a guy like Gardner-Johnson?

Mother****erJones 03-22-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14174189)
Worst case scenario is that Omenihu is an excellent long-term SDE for us.

His punch/hands are top-notch. He may never have the bend to be a true LEO as we have come to know them, a guy that can just lean around the tackle to finish the play. But even if that doesn't happen, you put him on that strong side and let him win with technique and I think he's a stud.

Part of my fondness for Omenihu comes from my general disdain for Speaks and distrust of K-Pass.

And I’m fine with that, however, I’m still left needing more at safety and corner. I also feel that they do too since they almost had Earl Thomas too.

God I hated the Speaks pick but still giving it a chance

htismaqe 03-22-2019 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14174203)
Yes.

Because of the versatility and what he could free up Spags to do with Mathieu. If you're arguing for Rapp, that's how you're doing it (I just like Adderly more).

You could have two almost completely interchangeable safeties who could go into the box or back into coverage on any given snap. Hell, they could slip into short zones or even the slot and free up some interesting blitz possibilities. It really makes it tough to guess how to deploy route combinations or even protections when you don't know who's gonna be going up/back, releasing or running.

I think that's probably what Crow envisions with Thornhill; I simply think Adderly plays with a litte more edge and a brings a little better skill in space. And I think that's what the Rapp fans are envisioning as well, but I don't think Rapp has the agility/fluidity to be a real asset in single-high. If I'm comparing Thornhill to Addrerly I'm comparing Rapp to Abrams.

I think Adderly can be the second swiss army knife back there that opens up a lot of possibilities.

The only thing I disagree with is comparing Rapp to Abram. I think a little more highly of Rapp and a little less of Abram. Honestly, I think Abram reminds of Thomas Davis, who ended up being a linebacker in the NFL.

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14174218)
Think he's worth trading up for? Or would you be content with getting a guy like Gardner-Johnson?

At the cost of one of our 2nds? Nah, I don't think so.

But admittedly, I vacillate a lot here. Sometimes I'm taken in by the number of needs I'd like to address in some capacity. Other times I'm able to convince myself that the hit rate on draft picks is a hell of a lot lower than we realize and that standing closer to the board is better than getting an extra dart; that it's more critical that we address a need for SURE rather than get another shot at addressing multiple needs.

I'm not sure if I'd be making phonecalls around pick 20 or if I'd just make sure I had my ringer turned up in case someone called me. It's a damn close question.

chiefscafan 03-22-2019 11:01 AM

I’m liking how the draft has fallen to Steelers the rest of this draft is gonna be interesting.

CoMoChief 03-22-2019 11:02 AM

San Francisco 49ers select Darrell Henderson, RB, Memphis


*Good pass catching back, gives SF a good 1-2 punch w/ Breida*

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14174234)
The only thing I disagree with is comparing Rapp to Abram. I think a little more highly of Rapp and a little less of Abram. Honestly, I think Abram reminds of Thomas Davis, who ended up being a linebacker in the NFL.

Yeah, I think Rapp's a little more limited in space than you're giving him credit for, but I can see the attempt at the argument.

In a vacuum, do you see Rapp as a legitimate 1st round talent? I just don't. If I'm gonna see a limitation on a player and still put him in the 1st round, that limitation better not be the most critical one for that position. To me, Rapps is pretty much a pure SS and that coverage limitation makes him a 2nd round talent.

And so I just can't talk myself into taking him in the 1st because I think that's a pure need pick at that point. And I still maintain that over the course of 2+ seasons, every position on your team is going to be a need in some form or fashion. You put a hell of a ceiling on your draft returns if you just keep chasing them.

That's why I love how Dorsey drafted. He knew what his near term needs were but he also looked to what they were going to be in a season or 2. And so if he was on the clock and saw a need now with an okay prospect but a BETTER prospect at a position where there was a likely need in the future, he went with the latter option and hoped to raise the ceiling and overall depth of the team.

htismaqe 03-22-2019 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14174244)
Yeah, I think Rapp's a little more limited in space than you're giving him credit for, but I can see the attempt at the argument.

In a vacuum, do you see Rapp as a legitimate 1st round talent? I just don't. If I'm gonna see a limitation on a player and still put him in the 1st round, that limitation better not be the most critical one for that position. To me, Rapps is pretty much a pure SS and that coverage limitation makes him a 2nd round talent.

And so I just can't talk myself into taking him in the 1st because I think that's a pure need pick at that point. And I still maintain that over the course of 2+ seasons, every position on your team is going to be a need in some form or fashion. You put a hell of a ceiling on your draft returns if you just keep chasing them.

That's why I love how Dorsey drafted. He knew what his near term needs were but he also looked to what they were going to be in a season or 2. And so if he was on the clock and saw a need now with an okay prospect but a BETTER prospect at a position where there was a likely need in the future, he went with the latter option and hoped to raise the ceiling and overall depth of the team.

We're actually not that far off. I think Rapp is a borderline guy. I *might* take him at 29, but mid-2nd seems a little better. I don't think he's strictly a SS but he definitely doesn't have the range that those other guys do, that's true.

My comment was more geared towards Abram, who in my mind isn't even a pure SS. Like I said, he might end up a LB when it is all said and done.

staylor26 03-22-2019 11:22 AM

The New York Jets select David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin

Mother****erJones 03-22-2019 11:29 AM

So what are we thinking the prime spot is for moving up? I think they’re moving up for an edge. My top edge choice in the teens is Burns and Ferrell. Not sure Sweat makes it into the teens after his testing

Chief Northman 03-22-2019 11:34 AM

The Jacksonville Jaguars select, Erik McCoy, C/G, Texas A&M

The Jaguars continue to re-shape their OL with anticipated departures from Shatley and Cann. McCoy gives them a tough pivot with a fierce competitor's edge who could also move to Guard quite readily. His diversity is welcomed, and McCoy is a value pick at this point in the draft.

Sfeihc 03-22-2019 11:53 AM

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers select L.J. Collier, DE, TCU.

Carl Nassib is the starting DE for the Bucs. That would be great if the Bucs defense were a financial planning firm. Their other starting DE blew half his hand off with a roman candle. Improvement at the position is necessary.

Chief Northman 03-22-2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 14174338)
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers select L.J. Collier, DE, TCU.

Carl Nassib is the starting DE for the Bucs. That would be great if the Bucs defense were a financial planning firm. Their other starting DE blew half his hand off with a roman candle. Improvement at the position is necessary.

LOL. Nassib was a beauty on Hard Knocks.

but with regards to your Roman Candle reference..... - he'd be a great fit in KC.

staylor26 03-22-2019 12:07 PM

Collier is the guy I would have liked had we missed out on Omenihu. I prefer both over Ferguson.

Hoover 03-22-2019 12:27 PM

With the 72nd pick in the NFL Draft, The Denver Broncos select Michael Jordan C/G, Ohio State

Fits nicely into the Broncos who lack talent on the inside of the offensive line.


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