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chiefzilla1501 08-25-2021 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15799195)
yeah, except Watkins was NEVER healthy, and caught 37 balls.

That's it. 37.

We're freaking out over 37 catches.
I think you're missing my point. I was saying that when tyreek was out, the offense regressed but Watkins was serviceable as wr1. When tyreek and Watkins were out, every single one of our receivers struggled. That's the situation we're in today if we lose tyreek. I could care less about losing Sammy who never saw the field. I am just pointing to the importance of having a clear WR2. And we don't have that right now until somebody steps up to it.

Nobody is freaking out over this. We can win without it. But we really need one of our guys to step up to that role and so far nobody has.

chiefzilla1501 08-25-2021 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by penchief (Post 15799306)
Hardman is a big play waiting to happen. He has elite talent. He just hasn't fully matured as a football player on or off the field. But he's a good kid. Andy and Pat are pushing him to take the next step. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't. If and when it does, look out.

I'm amazed when I watch him move on the field. His stride is a bit unorthodox and makes him look much slower than he really is. But the elite athleticism is there. The TD catch against the cardinals showed great concentration and coordination to adjust to the underthrown ball and make that catch. One of my favorite Mahomes plays is the 5-yard TD pass in the back corner of the end zone against the Saints. Hardman made that catch look easy. He has really good body control.

I think our disappointment in Hardman is that we all see what he can be. We are anticipating it and the wait is pissing us off. But Hardman's ceiling is well worth the wait, IMO.
At worst we have a good Swiss army knife. Which is still useful. He does really well when he gets the ball and has a little space. My favorite part about the highlight reels is how quickly he separates once he accelerates. It's off the charts. We just need him to get better at finding ways before the catch to get the ball in his hands.

Deberg_1990 09-12-2021 08:15 PM
3 catches for 19 yards isn’t going to cut it.

Pitt Gorilla 09-12-2021 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15829177)
3 catches for 19 yards isn’t going to cut it.
For the season? No.

staylor26 09-12-2021 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15829177)
3 catches for 19 yards isn’t going to cut it.
He had just 3 ****ing targets and caught all 3.

When Kelce and Hill combine for 17 catches 273 yards and 3 TD’s you aren’t going to get much from anybody else.

Some of you are literally ****ing reeruned.

Pitt Gorilla 09-12-2021 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15829185)
He had just 3 ****ing targets and caught all 3.

When Kelce and Hill combine for 17 catches 273 yards and 3 TD’s you aren’t going to get much from anybody else.

Some of you are literally ****ing reeruned.
Exactly. Some Chief Fans, apparently, feel that Pat needs to target Hill and Kelce less. I'm not in that camp.

ThaVirus 09-12-2021 08:23 PM
The guy literally ran out of bounds on 2nd and 9 with at least two yards to spare.

He's ****ing stupid. That's his problem. He's not very smart.

-King- 09-12-2021 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15829194)
The guy literally ran out of bounds on 2nd and 9 with at least two yards to spare.

He's ****ing stupid. That's his problem. He's not very smart.
LMAO

Bowser 09-12-2021 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15829194)
The guy literally ran out of bounds on 2nd and 9 with at least two yards to spare.

He's ****ing stupid. That's his problem. He's not very smart.
He's not DeMarcus Robinson stop-and-let-the-defenders-close-the-gap ****ing stupid, though. But yeah.

Rasputin 09-12-2021 08:38 PM
Although I still expect him to make big time plays for us I'm not going continue to defend him with stupidity of not making a first down by going out of bounds short of the sticks.



Come on Hardman

CasselGotPeedOn 09-12-2021 10:24 PM
He was also late getting on the field for a punt return because he couldn't find his helmet...

Hammock Parties 09-12-2021 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15829194)
The guy literally ran out of bounds on 2nd and 9 with at least two yards to spare.

He's ****ing stupid. That's his problem. He's not very smart.
Yeah I saw this at the game and was like WTF.

Mecole is just another dumb kid from a tiny town in georgia. 4.2 speed is the only reason he's come this far.

His career will be jet sweeps, reverses, punt returns and broken coverages.

TwistedChief 09-12-2021 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 15829244)
Although I still expect him to make big time plays for us I'm not going continue to defend him with stupidity of not making a first down by going out of bounds short of the sticks.



Come on Hardman
Thank you for this. It's reasonable and realistic.

Hardman just plays dumb football. And that's the biggest problem. It's not that he doesn't have talent - it's just that that talent will get him a ton of looks and he has a huge possibility of ****ing it up and being a major negative if things don't go well.

Hammock Parties 09-12-2021 10:37 PM
If Mecole had any ability to line up and do things like run professional route trees against better than average corners, he'd be doing it.

The Chiefs would have seen it in practice already, and he'd be an absolutely lethal weapon with defenses focused on K&H.

But putting him in that role continues to be dicey at best. You can't count on Hardman play to play....he's a guy who disappears for stretches and then makes a huge play out of nowhere.

So most likely he's just going to keep splitting time with D-Rob.

ChiefsFanatic 09-12-2021 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15829448)
Yeah I saw this at the game and was like WTF.



Mecole is just another dumb kid from a tiny town in georgia. 4.2 speed is the only reason he's come this far.



His career will be jet sweeps, reverses, punt returns and broken coverages.
I disagree, a little.

The 4.2 speed is why he played college football at an SEC school. The 4.2 speed is probably why he got a pass in high school. And the 4.2 speed is why he probably got the same pass in college.

Learning how to run a full route tree in Reid's offense isn't easy. Tyreek, for all his stupid antics, is pretty damn smart.

Sammy Watkins hindered Hardman's development because his presence limited Hardman's role, and snaps.

I still believe that he can be coached up, and it's only his 3rd year in the league, and his 1st year with a larger role in the offense.

And while I think he can be coached up, I know for a fact that you can't teach 4.2 speed.

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