I agree with the other stuff, but disagree with this. Though no one got hurt, Kyle waited for Harvick to get out of the car and pushed a car that had no one in control of it into a pit wall where crewmen were. Someone could have easily gotten seriously injured.
The sport certainly doesn't need that.

Can we start Dover now? Or do we have to wait until Sunday?

I guess i'm tired of the robot response cookie cutter perfect gentlemen perfect spokesperson Jeff Gordon/Jimmy Johnson the past 15 years.

I was mainly referencing more excitement in Nascar. Yes, someone could have gotten hurt and it was completely stupid, but I found it rather funny and entertaining. The sport has gone pc/dumb down the past few years. Things seem to be changing lately. And as fans, it's for the better.

A new subject is in order at this point ;)

by all means, start at your leisure

I think the rules are, "there are no rules"

Really??? you saw where have at it got us LMAO

Yeah, but nobody here is running away like a little bitch or putting an unattended car into a wall on pit lane.


*Should I now black flag myself?

I misunderstood. I agree with you then. And FWIW, I don't think someone flinging a few fists or a helmet or something or a couple of crews getting into it would be a bad thing. To be honest I'm suprised that hasn't been encouraged behind the scenes.

Here we go! There is nothing wrong with picking a fight and running away. He is just a sensitive guy, that’s why the chicks dig him. All the rest of us men that think if you start a fight you should finish it are just primitive ;)

It is being encouraged. On WindTunnel last night they showed a local Charlotte TV promo for the all-star race. Helton is in sheriff's outfit telling some drivers to settle it at the all-star race.

Actually, I'm not talking about discussing Dover. I just can't wait to see how this all gets "worked out" at Dover. :D

They are both points racing so Harvick will bide his time. Its coming, chickenshit knows it as does everyone around the garage. I will say this Kaylene...err...Kyle better be Harvicks fan from here on out. If Kevin ends up out of contention and Kaylene is racing for a title well it is going to suck being him~

Kyle Busch is 26 years old.
Busch has 21 Cup Wins, 104 Top Tens, 7 Poles

Kevin Harvict is 35 years old.
Harvict has 16 Cup Wins, 156 Top Tens, 5 Poles

The only people that care about Harvick is you and Delana! LMAO

Kevin better concentrate on winning a few more races before he gets too old for the sport

Come on now... There is no reason to get all pissy.

Afterall, NASCAR was built on feuds...

what else are we gonna talk about if not the feud of the week -- Have fun with it...

We'll have to wait for The NASCAR Sprint All-Star Race.

The drivers don't have to worry about points :D

Kyle Busch does not have 48 cup wins.

21 Cup Wins (close) LMAO

Kyle Busch
Date of birth: May 2, 1985 (age 26)
Hometown: Las Vegas, Nevada

Awards

2004 Busch Series Rookie of the Year
2005 NEXTEL Cup Series Rookie of the Year
2008 Southern 500 Winner
2009 Nationwide Series Champion


Sprint Cup Series

Career Wins: 21
Top 5: 71
Top 10: 109
Winnings: $39,864,209


NASCAR Nationwide Series

http://nationwide.nascar.com/nationw...jpg?1304735443
Darlington, 5/6/2011

Career Wins: 48
Top 5: 109
Top 10: 138
Winnings: $8,080,897

2011 9 Starts, 5 Wins
2010 29 Starts, 13 Wins
2009 35 Starts, 9 Wins
2008 30 Starts, 10 Wins
2007 19 Starts, 4 Wins
2006 34 Starts, 1 Win
2005 14 Starts, 1 Win
2004 34 Starts, 5 Wins


NASCAR Camping World
Career Wins: 26
Top 5: 52
Top Tens: 69
Winnings: 2,605,555

2011 4 Starts, 2 Wins
2010 16 Starts, 8 Wins
2009 15 Starts, 7 Wins
2008 18 Starts, 3 Wins
2007 11 Starts, 2 Wins
2006 7 Starts, 1 Win
2005 11 Starts, 3 Wins


i ain't doing this again...

Hey Buck, you picked the right Cali boy to root for LMAO

when you have time, can you throw his numbers up?--

this way we can read it and weep.

You are a trip lol bittter much?

Why? Brian France will fine them, put them both on probation and say, "dont do that again."

Then the drunk will wish he could personally offer everyone in his favorite bars a cocktail and a napkin to put under it and pray the next feud breaks out in Dover.

RedNeck Raider:

Shouldn't you be watching the Lakers?

How about the only number that matters.

5

P.S. The only reason I chose 48 is because he is from my hometown.

Harvick, Busch put on probation, fined $25,000
Penalty stemmed from incident that took place on pit road after race at Darlington

By Official Release

May 10, 2011 1:21 PM, EDT
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR has penalized Sprint Cup Series drivers Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick as a result of rules infractions committed at last weekend's event at Darlington Raceway.

Busch, driver of the No. 18 car, and Harvick, driver of the No. 29 car, have each been fined $25,000 and placed on NASCAR probation for the next four Sprint Cup Series championship points events until June 15 for violating Section 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing -- involved in an altercation on pit road after the conclusion of the race).

"These penalties are a result of what occurred on pit road after the race was over," said Kerry Tharp, senior director for communications, competition. "They are about maintaining a safe environment on pit road."

Who crossed the line more: Busch or Harvick?

Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch were involved in some sheet metal-bending scraps in the closing laps, and after the checkered flag in Saturday night's Showtime Southern 500 at Darlington. In their aftermath, it's been questioned who "crossed the line," and to what degree.

The field was involved in two restarts in the final nine laps of the race, which went into three laps of overtime thanks to a caution that involved Busch, Harvick and Harvick's Richard Childress Racing teammate Clint Bowyer with only two scheduled laps remaining. Harvick initiated most of the initial, multiple contacts between he and Busch, but everything that occurred up to that final caution could be termed totally acceptable "hard racing."

It was what caused the actions that got both Busch and Harvick called to the NASCAR hauler after the race that "crossed the line." The final legitimate contact, between Busch on the outside and Harvick in the middle, caused Harvick to wreck his teammate Bowyer, who was inside him in a sketchy three-wide formation.

Harvick was minding his own business as he moved to the inside of the frontstretch before, just after the start/finish line Busch crossed behind Harvick and hooked the back of his car, causing Harvick to slide toward the outside wall.

Harvick didn't cross the imaginary line until he began playing cat-and-mouse with Busch at the pit entrance, which was childish and bullying at best; and inflammatory at worst. The fact his actions were incited by inappropriate racing, of which he took no part, is no excuse.

NASCAR.COM


Thank you!

The field was involved in two restarts in the final nine laps of the race, which went into three laps of overtime thanks to a caution that involved Busch, Harvick and Harvick's Richard Childress Racing teammate Clint Bowyer with only two scheduled laps remaining. Harvick initiated most of the initial, multiple contacts between he and Busch, but everything that occurred up to that final caution could be termed totally acceptable "hard racing."

Harvick was minding his own business as he moved to the inside of the frontstretch before, just after the start/finish line Busch crossed behind Harvick and hooked the back of his car, causing Harvick to slide toward the outside wall.

Harvick didn't cross the imaginary line until he began playing cat-and-mouse with Busch at the pit entrance, which was childish and bullying at best; and inflammatory at worst. The fact his actions were incited by inappropriate racing, of which he took no part, is no excuse.

I disagree Kyle deserved a ass whippin and has needed one for quite sometime~

FOX SPORTS NASCAR POWER RANKINGS
RK DRIVER WINS CHANGE HIGH/LOW COMMENTS
1 Carl Edwards 1 - 1/11
With his runner-up finish to Regan Smith, Edwards has six top-five finishes in 10 races. Very stout. And his second child was born on Wednesday.
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2 Jimmie Johnson 1 1 1/15
Another night of making chicken salad for Five-Time, who was spun by Juan Pablo Montoya early and then spun out on his own.
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3 Kevin Harvick 2 1 2/20
DeLana may wear the firesuit in the family, but it’s Kevin who throws the punches. The fireworks aren’t over.
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4 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 0 1 2/12
Don’t let the pit-road penalty fool you. Junior did a great job coming from deep in the field at a track where he often struggles.
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5 Kyle Busch 2 3 1/14
Remember the “new” Kyle Busch? Apparently he was put away at Darlington in favor of a retro model. Interesting to see how he rebounds from here.
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6 Ryan Newman 0 1 3/18
Given all that was going on around him, an impressive run for Newman, who earned his fourth top five of the season.
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7 Tony Stewart 0 3 3/13
A much-needed solid and uneventful run for the two-time Sprint Cup champion, who picked up three positions in the points standings.
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8 Clint Bowyer 0 2 4/25
Saturday night was a typically frustrating night for Bowyer at Darlington: Run well, finish poorly.
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9 Kurt Busch 0 1 2/14
Another miserable night for Busch, who is in the middle of a deep slump and team turmoil.
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10 A J Allmendinger 0 3 7/17
It wasn’t a great race for the ‘Dinger, but he continues to be one of the season’s pleasant surprises.
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11 Matt Kenseth 1 2 5/26
Unfortunately for Kenseth, he was never a factor all weekend at Darlington.
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12 Jeff Gordon 1 1 1/16
Wow. Gordon had a top-five car for most of the night but got caught in other people’s drama and finished 12th.
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13 Denny Hamlin 0 1 7/20
Another track where Hamlin won last year, but didn’t crack the top five this time out.
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14 Kasey Kahne 0 4 11/24
Pole, top-five finish, led the most laps. All in all, a great weekend for Kahne.
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15 Greg Biffle 0 1 7/26
The two-time Darlington winner finished eighth, a good but not great run. Still trending in the right direction.
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16 Juan Pablo Montoya 0 2 5/18
First, Montoya gets in a fight with Newman. Then, he turns Johnson in the race. A sketchy weekend, to be sure.
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17 Mark Martin 0 2 8/17
It was a tough evening for Martin, a two-time Darlington winner.
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18 Paul Menard 0 1 6/18
Since the hot start to his season, Menard’s performance has tailed way off.
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19 Brad Keselowski 0 7 19/26
An excellent third-place run was Keselowski’s best showing to date in the Blue Deuce.
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20 Regan Smith 1 7 5/27
Hey, he won the Southern 500. He now deserves a spot in our top 20.
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Jeff Burton & Jeff Gordon Fight in Texas WITHOUT their HELMETS ON!

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I gUESS tHAT pUTS An eND tO "hArVICT iS a Tough GUy"

In other words you're saying (Let me try to put it in terms even a woman driver would understand):

If car A (#18) rear-ends B (#29) who rear-ends C (#33) then the insurance of car A will be liable for the damages. Why? Because A (#18) IS AT FAULT


If that doesn't work I'm not addressing this topic again. There's no plainer way to explain it.

I caught the three wide reference. You stated that Harvick caused the wreck by making it three wide (which is not the case). It is clear and I am pretty sure anyone who follows NASCAR even casually knows it is risky business running 3 wide there. They were 3 wide behind the wreck. You keep pointing this out like it is a brilliant observation when it is common knowledge. They have done it before and they will do it again especially on a late lap restart~

Jesus I am done with this chick~

No truedbigdog: We're talking about the incident that happened between Kyle hooked Kevin.

:thumb:

You don't mind trashing drivers others root for...

Oh, OK. I mistakenly thought you were saying Busch was not at fault.

I asked because you bolded "caused Harvick to wreck his teammate Bowyer" and I thought you were saying that Harvick was at fault. What you bolded itself says that contact from Busch CAUSED.....

And it's clear that Kyle hooked him and then wouldn't stay around for the confrontation (helmet or no) and pushed an unpiloted car which is clearly an assinine move and could have caused someone serious injury (though he didn't seem to care).

Glad to know you're now seeing it clearly, even if it took four days for your vision to unblur.

Everyone trashed your drivers, yet it is me you have issue with. Done completed; finished; through: Our work is done. worn out; exhausted; used up.

:doh!:

lol...NASCAR "probation"....what a joke.

Dean Wormer... in charge of nascar

Monster Mile. Nationwide on ESPN


He won at Dover last night!

Boy does nothing but win!

Go Kyle!!

Carl out front

What the hell was the driver of the 23 thinking?

What a dip shit

Crazy, right?

Allgaier told those guys how tight the car was, and now it shreds a RF. Shocker.

Weather report from 5 mi. west of the racetrack: not raining now, but stay tuned...

back to racing.....finally

Baby Jesus is FAST

F1 World Champion Kimi Raikkonen makes his NASCAR debut in Charlotte next week. Raikkonen signed with Kyle Busch Motorsports. F1 fans are going nuts... If it goes well, Kimi is not going to settle for being in the Trucks Series for very long.

F1 continues to talk about Raikkonen even now that he isn't in Formula 1.

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Wikipedia: Leaving Formula One

Near the end of the 2009 season, Ferrari announced that Räikkönen would be leaving the team, despite having a contract to race for them in 2010 he would be replaced by Fernando Alonso.[53] He was expected to return to McLaren alongside Lewis Hamilton but negotiations with the team failed. Räikkönen was linked to Mercedes GP but the team eventually signed Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg. Toyota F1, before it pulled out of Formula One, offered Räikkönen a driving contract to replace Timo Glock in 2010. The BBC reported that he refused the contract owing to wanting to drive a race-winning car, not to mention Toyota not offering a large enough salary.[54]

On 17 November 2009, his manager Steve Robertson confirmed that Räikkönen would not drive in Formula One in the 2010 season.[55] But during 2010 itself, rumours emerged once again about another possible Räikkönen comeback this time with the Renault team in 2011. This followed a resurgence in Renault's form, and the fact that the Russian Vitaly Petrov had yet to be re-signed like team-mate Robert Kubica. Team principal Éric Boullier claimed he had been contacted by Räikkönen in connection with a possible return, but said that although he was flattered by Räikkönen's alleged display of interest:

However Räikkönen angrily shot down the suggestion that he would race, claiming that Renault had simply used his name for "their own marketing purposes".

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In 2008, Räikkönen was among the two Formula One drivers who made it into the Forbes magazine's The Celebrity 100 list, the other being Fernando Alonso. He is 36th on Forbes magazine's The Celebrity 100 list of 2008, and 41st on the previous year. On the same list, as of 2008, he is listed as the 26th highest paid celebrity overall and the 5th highest paid sportsman behind Tiger Woods, David Beckham, Michael Jordan and Phil Mickelson. In 2009, Räikkönen was listed as the equal 2nd highest paid athlete in the world, behind Woods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimi_R%C3%A4ikk%C3%B6nen

He's such a sweet kid...

Good fit it seems, F1 guys really like the ladies, and his new boss is the biggest pussy in the sport.

COME ON CARL!!!!!

That is some great driving

And he's the most talented, for sure.

Both drivers.

Not in my opinion, but to each their own

This should be good

BS! This race should be over

They're running out of fuel LMAO

OM ****ING GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy shit

Heh Carl:"He got loose or something".

OMG ...

Wow... I hope everyone is ok... What a wreck

Bowyer went on his side. wow what a hit...

I hope he's ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he went airborne

Bowyer got pounded three times in that one.

He went for a ride. I thought Carl got into Joey at 1st but he didn't

you hate to see ambulances on the track -- wow in a split second --

scary wreck

what happened to Bowyer's crew member?????

They usually park a couple of 'em right there at the end of pit road, so that's good.

:eek:

You see the sparks flying into the window all over Clint there?

There's a piece of Joey's car stuck in Bowyer's window...

Or, maybe that's his own fender, I don't know.

Announcer: "You feeling ok? You ready to race tomorrow"

Logano: "Yeah, it's no big deal"

LMAO

A spring hit him

it was a pretty wild wreck -- it happens on restarts

hope he's ok...

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On the replays looking down the straight from Turn 1, you can see the spring that hit the crewman bouncing across pit lane, right past some officials. Crazy.

@keselowski: Damn, just saw 18 incur. Even madder now! Clearly audible he gasses up and drove thru us. He has one coming from me!

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We're gonna have a green racetrack today, 'cause there was a cloudburst overnight. Man, it rained HARD for about 15 minutes.