Yea thats why the Geno bandwagon has about 2 nut hangers left on it.


You and SDH, and man that is good company. LMAO

All you need is to get Setsuna on board and the combined IQ might hit double digits.

Who cares if he was drafted? I only care about how he performs. Kurt Warner was an UDFA, do you think his career should be discounted because of that? What Bray does on the field is all that matters from here on out. He will either be a good NFL QB or he won't, and it has nothing to do with the draft at this point.

Setsuna will drop that posse down to about an overall IQ of 20.

He's the dumbest mother****er to post in this forum since RoyIII's heyday a decade ago.

I'm better company than YOU, you ****ing idiot. All you ever do is herp-derp-a-long to every dumb**** move this franchise makes.

Just start the ****ing season already, so I can own your hop-a-long ass when Smith starts losing games for KC.

AS PREDICTED.

And no gives a **** about who YOU think is "dumb" on this board, you ****ing one who sucks the penis.

Bur please; keep spewing the same, tired, Dane bullshit for everyone to enjoy!

Go give Marcellus a reacharound.

LMAO

Bubble=You: Setsuna is really smart.

LMAO

One quick question, Dumb****: What's it like to be WRONG about everything? Please share.

I was sure wrong about Matt Cassel from DAY ****ING ONE, BEFORE THE INK WAS DRY.

And I'll wrong about Alex too!

**** yourself.

Yay! You were a lameass bandwagoner that joined in after the party had been started. Woo-hoo, Dumb****!

Well we are going to find out what both of them are made of Sunday. This thread is going to gain another burst in the very near future.

Yay! I hated him before the trade was announced as well, dumb****!

Drink AIDS.

:rolleyes:

Fist thyself, wench.

:rolleyes:

Oh, the jets are going to get ass raped.

Conservative gameplans always put the most pressure on QBs because they put them in known passing situations. That's why coaches like Rex Ryan, Herm, or Jack Del Rio are the worst possible HCs a rookie QB could ever have.

The best thing the Jets could do for Geno would be to spread it out.

Clearly there are some major question marks surrounding Geno, but he really couldn't have gone to a worse situation. ****ing disaster.

Also, I wonder how many weeks it will take for Alex Smith to throw 7 TDs.

Same thing happened to Gabbert. He went from a great situation (learning behind Garrard for 1-1.5 years) to the worst possible situation with Garrard's release. A rookie QB going to a coach who needs to win now is like tossing a bag of blow in the middle of an NA meeting.

I'm not talking Hermesque. I'm just talking about limiting his throws.

The guy threw 30 passes in three quarters last time out. That's a lot.

I don't think exposing a rookie QB in his first start like that would be wise. I want to see Geno dropping back 25-30 times, no more.

Absolutely correct. The narrative that first-round QBs must start day one is a ridiculous one. Gabbert was, definitely, an unbelievable talent, but he was raw and needed development.

He's still the type of QB whom I'd love to acquire on the cheap and try to resurrect, which I believe is possible.

They are going to be trailing. He is going to have to throw to keep the team in the game. Baptism by fire.....

I predict lots of garbage time for Geno and Axl this year.

The Jets have a fine defense. They'll hold the Bucs in check.

I foresee a late duel between Josh Freeman and Geno Smith. Two strong-armed swingin' dick golf-toof dawgs dukin' it out in the 4th.

We should have drafted both of them.

He shouldn't be dropping back at all; he should be playing this game from shotgun and pistol, mixing in short throws with deep bombs.

Agreed. I just don't want to see 30 throws in the first three quarters. That's too much.

I agree on both.

No, it is absolutely NOT ridiculous.

In today's NFL, the first round draft choice is counted on to start and contribute immediately. Not next year, not the year after, the year in which he was drafted.

If player isn't NFL ready and isn't ready to contribute immediately, the player should have been drafted in any other round other than the first round.

I dare you to find a GM or head coach in 2013 that's will to "sit" on a first rounder.

PS - It ain't gonna happen.

For different reasons.

QB is a different animal. No reason why this player has to be starting day one; it's a long-term investment.

You're telling me that drafting a QB with enormous upside, yet sitting him for a year to try to ensure his long-term success is a worse plan than drafting a ****ing RT at 1/1 or a 5-tech?

We both know the answer to this. If NFL GMs are too narrow-minded to realize this, fine. Not my problem.

LMAO Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

I hope whomever starts "Johnny Football" day one because I practically piss myself in anticipation of that gag-reel.

It's not if it's done correctly. Rookies should avoid the intermediate middle like the plague. There is just too much going on in that part of the field for them to be able to process it. Deep square ins and 20 yard digs shouldn't even be in the playbook for rookies.

You keep the defense from cheating up on the underneath routes by slinging it deep, especially by using double moves. The majority of the routes a team should run are flares, drag routes, quick hitches, tunnel screens, and slants.

You keep the CBs from jumping those routes by running stop and gos and sluggos.

It's limited, but it's a far better alternative than facing 3rd and 7 every drive because the defense plays nine in the box on 1st and 2nd down.

Re: Rookie QBs. No team that has started a rookie QB has ever won a Super Bowl. As far as I know, none has ever even played in one. Several second year guys have, but no rookies. Thus, if you aren't going to win a SB with a rookie QB, what's the rush of getting him out there ASAP? Furthermore, rookie QBs are 1/3 as expensive as they were four years ago, so there's no financial imperative either.

There have been some deep runs by rookies. But I do agree with your statement for the most part.

Some of it comes from the line of thinking that throwing them in there helps them learn at an accelerated rate. Only way to learn is game reps etc.

It's idiocy.

Then draft him later. Not in the first round.

No.

What I'm telling you is that in today's NFL, GM's and Head Coaches have four years or less to make it happen.

Period.

If you're a brand new head coach and GM, you're not going to draft a guy in the first round, let alone Top Ten, and "sit" him a year until he learns the game.

**** that.

Either you're NFL Ready or you're not. Regardless of position.

They are absolutely NOT "narrow-minded".

NFL owners routinely invest $10 million per year into their GM and Head Coach (and that doesn't include assistant coaches, scouts, etc.). They're not paying paying these people for 10 or 15 years down the road (which quite frankly, is a pipe dream, 90% of the time), they're paying for immediate results.

Immediate results.

Throwing them in early can also destroy them. Their learning at an "accelerated rate" can be bad habits coming from running for their lives all the time. We may see that with Geno Smith this year.

Welp, I'm sure we'll be getting some GREAT "immediate results" with Axl Shit****.:rolleyes:

And how are the Chiefs making it happen? How are we defining "it"?

They have absolutely zero chance of winning a SB in the foreseeable future, unless Bray somehow proves to be a winning Powerball ticket, since the odds of an UDFA being legitimate are **** and shit.

Thus, I have to think that making it happen means playing competitive football, not winning a championship. Under this premise, there's no reason why a QB cannot be drafted in the first, with a stopgap like Alex Smith manning the ship until the "real" QB is ready.

I don't think, for example, that EJ Manuel was drafted with the explicit expectation that he start year one, game one. It will end up being the case, but I certainly don't think that was a mandate.

Bray is the real deal, and it was carefully planned that way/Dorseid nuthuggers.

Buddy Nix ran the draft this year, selected Manuel, and was fired two weeks after the draft.

Correlation does not imply causation.

LMAO

I'm friends with a former ESPN analyst that completely inside Buffalo that said the move was completely unexpected.

JFC.

So a gross misappropriation of resources (see: Tyson Jackson starting in year one) is better than acquiring a high-ceiling talent at QB and trying to foster and develop this talent?

But, hey, Jackson started game one!

This is asinine. And I have no idea why you would think I would have any clue about whom you do or do not know.

You're choosing to ignore reality of the NFL in 2013.

No team is choosing a player in the first round that they don't believe will help immediately.

Right or wrong, that's reality.

Perhaps so. But I think there must be a middle-ground approach, based on individual players.

Gabbert, for example, was far too physically gifted to last until the second round. There was zero chance of that happening. However, he was far too raw to play in year one.

Hell, Fisher in many ways defines such an approach. Here's a ****ing OT taken 1/1, but he's not even ****ing close to being ready to play LT in the NFL. So...he's starting at RT, a position that could be adequately manned by someone selected, at minimum, two rounds later.

Yeah, I mean, he's helping...kind of. Barely. Sort of.

Who's more likely to get Ried and Dorsey fired: Fisher or G. Smith?

Gabbert came out too early and was way over drafted. Same with Locker.

GM's that were ultimately fired for trying to save their asses.

There's your answer.

Can't draft a QB in the first. Too risky.

Draft fat guys, Go 8-8 and keep your job for 20 years!

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****ing reerun.

You're like an ugly chick with implants but in this case, it's video skills.

Without them, no one would give a **** about you.

So you don't see an Aaron Rodgers type situation happening again?

"You may choose exactly ONE UDFA for the QB position, as my balls are feeling particularly tiny this year"/cHunt

The poll is 4 to 1. How is this thread 142 pages?

Did anyone see Claytex rub the pot roast all over his chest?

You can't stop the Power of the Choco-Penii, that's why.

Yes Homo

Absolutely not.

Even the Broncos, with Peyton Manning signed last year, didn't take Weeden or Wilson or Asweiler in the first.

The closest you'll ever get to Clark Hunt is to wacking it to Pre-game images.

A team with a set of balls will draft a quarterback and sit them. Dumb franchises won't.

Starting a rookie QB just b/c he's a first rounder is no different than a corporation doing everything possible to maximize profits in the current quarter, even if it damages their long-term solvency.

It will have to be a team so loaded at every position, with a GM and coach in absolutely no danger of losing their jobs, to make that call.

Just like Ted Thompson and Aaron Rodgers.

Those scenarios will be far and few between.

Except that CEO's that make those decisions are generally done forever, with massive "Golden Parachutes", while coaches and GM's need to find work.

Why do you think that Rex Ryan has been putting the onus on Geno Smith this offseason? "Brutal", "Not Good", etc and so on?

He KNOWS he's history.

He's setting himself up for interviews in January.

Yep.

He should have been fired the minute that the Jets hired "Herk Robinson".

It's all on Woody now.

As if I would want to. But I'm sure he doesn't need to me tell him all about the legions of dumbasses such as yourself who find his business decisions "great"(!).

:facepalm:

Only question is who do they get to replace him.

I thinks it's going to be a disaster. Most likely, Rex is fired and Morninwheg takes over and adds to his loss total.

In 2014, it's anyone's guess.

Wait a minute; the Jets are going to get "raped" by Tampa Bay?

LMAO:facepalm:

Please link us all to posts in which I've praised Hunt.

In the meantime, keep plunging that needle.

Jesus, disaster scenario.

Life got better 10 fold by ignoring Dane. What an empty life he must lead.

You've repeatedly said, ad-nausem, that the Alex Smith acquisition was the best option. I believe you are wrong, and I'm pretty sure this season will play that out.

In the meantizzle, keep fisting your vagina, sport!

Don't hate.

Please tell us, who's in the Bucs D backfield? Their 'backers? D line?

LMAO

And you're just an asshole.

Who was the better option?

A young, talented QB with room to grow and potential to be good post-Manning.

Don't care what his name might have been.

To be fair Weeden was gone when they picked and the others weren't first round prospects.

That's because your 85 IQ can't understand simple concepts.

If you actually graduate college, I'd advise you show the receipts when you interview for jobs because outside of McDonald's or Taco Bell and maybe Wal Mart, no one will believe you.

Put them your wallet for safe-keeping. Lamination would be even better.

Sign the cheap stop-gap, and oh, I don't know...TAKE YOUR PICK OF QB's?

But giving up two picks for a known game-manager and putting the future of your franchise on his lame-assed back was a much better deal, I'm sure.

**** you, Claynus.

WHO?

Here it is... for better or worse, through fate or luck... Geno will never approach the level of success that Axl Smythe has in his last few years.

Call it starcrossed call it whatever, but by simply starting out in this situation, on this team... he's doomed, he's like Mirer being fed to the wolves under Flores.

Or Clown Suit Ryan...