Hip injury scares me a bit.

I think he’ll be out of our price range, but we’ll see.

He flat out said the blueprint of the offseason is to upgrade the lines and LB.

I didn’t come t any dots, I simply listened to the interview.

I even listened to the whole thing a second time thinking maybe o missed something. I didn’t.

When he’s talking about depth of the draft, he NEVER mentions linebacker. He specifically mentions OL, WR and CB.

I think you should listen to the whole thing yourself.

This whole thing started when I mentioned that LB might be a position they target early in the draft (first 3 rounds, maybe even as high as pick 31, depending on who’s there) and you put me on blast for it. I even went into detail about why I felt LB was a priority.

You put me on blast again yesterday for pointing out in Veaches interview he said OL, DL and LB are their focus...acting like I didn’t even understand what he said, when you clearly don’t.

So would I, but I’ve heard it from multiple people that he has a good chance of either taking a pay cut to stay or getting cut and then PFF did an article on what’s the player to be cut from each team and they made it seem like it’s the no brained of the Chiefs offseason...so I don’t know what to think about it. I’m a Hawkeye fan and think Hitchens has been trash every year he’s been here. The fact he upped his game in 2020 to be just serviceable isn’t good enough. He’s not an impact player but is paid like one.

He’s a liability in a lot of sets and that’s evidenced by how much guys like Neiman played.

I said a month ago they'd bring back Wylie and people should prepare for it.

Veach said Fisher would be available for camp, for whatever that's worth, and "ready" by August.

He'll play before midseason.

He's going to get tagged from what I'm seeing now.

Question - what are the rules of PUP vs. the new IR designation? There is a minimum number of weeks a player has to be out to be placed under either, correct?

Dude, look at what you just wrote.

This all started with you talking about drafting a LB early in the draft.

Veach said the offseason priorities include DL, OL, and LB's. Agreed?

And Veach then talked about the depth of the draft, including CB and WR, but NOT LB. Agreed?

How in God's name do you end up back at drafting a LB early based on those 2 things? Would you not think, possibly, that based on LB being a priority but not being a super deep class, that maybe, just maybe, LB is a target in this thing called Free Agency that starts in a month?

Yeah man, a lot of these people that say cutting Hitchens is a no-brainer probably think Sammy Watkins is our most important free agent to re-sign too. There's a lot of bad takes out there.

For sure, we need an upgrade over Hitchens but it's not all going to happen in one year. They could definitely find a guy in the draft to eventually replace him but I doubt they're going to have a rookie calling their defense week 1.

That’s the premise of my opinion in the first place. If they can’t get a good LB in FA and one of the top 2 (maybe 3, depending on how they view the fit) LBers are there when they pick at 31 or their pick in the second, they will strongly consider using that pick on one to give us 2 3down linebackers for the defense.

I see 2-3 of the linebackers in this class as either blue chip or close to blue chip guys.

Wanna make a wager?

Collins is the only guy that realistically is both a 3-down, do everything, player and will be likely be available at 31.

Who other than Collins would you target at 31?

That's really what this comes down to. Picking a LB at 63 is completely different than picking one at 31, especially considering the quality and depth at DE and OT in this draft and that fact that people want the offensive line burned to the ground and rebuilt.

How you gonna do that if you spend draft picks on linebackers?

The Jabrill Cox kid from LSU is getting a lot of buzz from folks in Chiefs media as well as Collins. The fact that Veach mentioned LB tells us all we need to know.

Cox is a good option as well and depending on how his personal workouts go, could be available anywhere from our pick at 63 to our pick at the end of the 3rd.

I’m pleased to hear the news about Fisher and Schwartz and glad we won’t need to pump major resources into OT for an immediate player or 2. It opens up the possibility of significantly upgrading center with Linsley, but even that may not come to fruition.

I see a couple of the other LBers as having upside of a 3 down linebacker with work (Parsons, Moses and a couple others) but they hold more risk than Collins and will also require more work to get their upside realized. I’d prefer those kinds of prospects after a trade down or in the second round, but I wouldn’t be mad if Veach takes one of them.

Parsons won't ever get to 31. He's probably a top 20 pick even with the character concerns.

Moses is way overrated. There will be better options in the 2nd and 3rd than him, IMO.

And in reality, we're really in the same place.

I don't have a problem with them drafting a LB. I don't have a problem with them drafting an OT.

What I have a problem with is that this team should have a singular focus at any point in the draft. There is nothing this team needs so badly that all other concerns should be tossed aside and ignored.

This team still needs WR's, DE's, and DB's, all of which are more valuable in this system than LB's and IOL. That doesn't mean they shouldn't draft a LB, it just means they should let the board play out and take the best player, at a position of need, and holds the best value. That could be Zaven Collins or it might be Rashad Bateman. I trust these guys to know what they're doing.

The Chiefs should be approaching this with eyes wide open, not with one arm tied behind their backs.

Fisher was injured in late January and had surgery on January 29th. Mid-Season would be sometime in November.

If Veach thinks he'll be ready by Training Camp in August, Fisher will have had 6 full months of rehab to that point, with another 6 weeks before the season begins.

Even if it takes a full nine months before he's returned to the starting lineup, we're looking at October 1, 2021, not late November or December.

Van Noy received $15 million to play for the Dolphins for one year.

He'll be on the other side of 30 when the 2021 season begins and will be rehabbing a hip injury this offseason, so unless he's willing to play for Vet Minimum, I don't think the Chiefs will be interested.

Yep.

I asked this in the other thread but is the guy ever fully healthy? Maybe my memory is failing me but it seems like the guy is always banged up.

I’m hopeful especially reading this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...eek-1.amp.html

Written by an MD and specifically stating that recovery times usually approach or exceed 6 months.

I do think this happening to an OL is better than skill players. Fisher isn’t going to be sprinting, cutting or stopping on a dime. He’ll pull but not every down or too often. What he’s required to do seems to not be as stressful on his Achilles.

Now if it were someone like Tyreek who depends on those things? Yeah I’d say he wouldn’t be himself for awhile.

We run a lot to the perimeter, screens, misdirection etc that require the linemen to move more than other offenses. For the most part, I agree though.

Kyle Rudolph would be a good TE2

He'll get paid by someone.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...V/VanNKy00.htm

Van Noy has played 16 games in exactly one of his seven NFL seasons.

We gonna pay him in Bitcoin? Cuz we got no cash

Hopefully, it won't be the Chiefs.

He'll be 32 during the 2021 season and his last four seasons were not impressive, whatsoever:

2017: 532 yards
2018: 634 yards
2019: 367 yards
2020: 334 yards

I'd sign him to a Vet Min deal with incentives but that's it.

He's been on the decline. He's not going to get starter money

Kyle Rudolph isn’t breaking the bank LMAO

I prefer the Chiefs draft somebody like McKitty on day 3 though.

We'll have plenty of money as soon as they re-work a few guys.

They could free up like $40M by doing some conversions and extending guys like Matthieu and Fisher.

Rudolph would probably make a solid 1-2 back up for Kelce.

And as far as all the Lb talk. SMOKE SCREEN. Veach created the lb narrative the year we went up for Mahomes, hell the talking heads thought we were trading for a line backer. This is all part of his smoke screen.

So we’re getting another QB?

So I’m listening to the Times Ours pod and Nate Taylor dropped a little nugget.

What are you saying? We are letting our OTs walk? Or the OTs we want will be off the board by pick 31?

Fixed my post.

Nate Taylor also said that the comment that Veach made about running to get a WR in Week 1 of FA sounds like they’d be looking more at the tier 2 guys who miss out on this large deals in the first day. Guys like Samuel or Davis maybe.

Phillips, Oweh, Ojulari, Ossai, Perkins, Tryon

I bet it ends up being one of those guys.

Also, that’s exactly what many of us have been trying to tell the OT in the 1st crowd.

I like Carlos Basham a lot

Get ready for the incessant screaming about how Veach doesn’t care about the health of Mahomes.

In the 2nd? Sure, but I’d like a little more upside at 31.

I wouldn’t be totally against it though.

Yup, then he’ll proceed to draft a T and C on day 2 and make them look stupid.

I’d really love them to get Linsley in here in FA along with a WR like Corey Davis. Then go grab a DE in the first, James Hudson and Cade Johnson. Sprinkle in a Jamin Davis or Hamsah Nasirilideen and I’m ****ing good.

Yea I’d be more than happy with that man.

Apparently Chiefs really like CB Greg Newsome

Link?

There's several. Just Google it. Lots of smoke.

All I’ve seen is that they interviewed him.

Phillips talent > Everyone else.

It comes down to if you believe you can keep him on the field for a few years with his injury history.

Yea the difference in talent is significant and enough for me to take the risk.

Imagine a healthy Phillips on one side with Frank Clark on the other and Chris Jones on the inside...


;)

Oh I’ve jerked off to this fantasy multiple times!

Phillips has the upside to make this a top 5 defense.

Year 2 Gay & Sneed on top of it? :whackit:

I just don’t see him getting to 31.

How far do you have to trade up to get the guy you want then.

Unfortunately, you’re probably right.

My only hope is that the lack of a normal combine combined with his medical history push him down into our range.

Some have him top 10, while others don’t even have him in the 1st. There’s just no telling how the NFL views these guys outside of the top 10-12 or so.

Still waiting on a ****ing link penbrook.

All I can find about the Chiefs and Newsome is that they had a meeting. That doesn’t mean they “really like” him.

I can see teams not wanting to take that risk on Phillips. It would be the kind of be a risk KC could afford just because we would only need him for a 2-3 playoffs to make the pick worth it.

Teams not as close to winning it all won't want to take that risk.

Really like = interviewed

Just out of curiosity, who are the free agents during Veach's time that he's let go that we have even missed?

Ogbah off hand I feel is better than Okafor and would have been my preference.

Looks like there's going to be lots of players getting cut next week. I'll be interested to see who we can add on one-year deals to fill holes at OL, DE, WR etc.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just texted with an NFL head coach about the upcoming cuts and what he expects…<br><br>“It’s going to be a massacre next week all around the league”</p>&mdash; Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1367152449631485957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wow Nate Taylor heard those rumors. Looks like the Raiders could very well be in the market for a first round tackle

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> have had talks about potentially dealing tackle Trent Brown, source said, and with few available tackles in free agency, Las Vegas has a shot.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1367202099080163335?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Isn’t Phillips the one who retired briefly because of concussions?

I can’t pick that guy in R1 if that’s the case. He’s going to get another one, at least one probably.

That’s so interesting.

I have a feeling a lot of guys in the Hitchens tier are going to get cut. Could give the Chiefs some leverage in reworking that deal into a pay cut.

Some free agents I am interested in if they don't get big $$$ and have to settle for less money...


Everson Griffen, DE
Avery Williamson LB (Would let us cut Hitchens after June 1st)
Will Fuller WR

I don’t see it with Hitchens getting cut. Like him or not, they clearly love him when you listen to Spags. He’s a captain. Got better in the system this year.

Agreed. We can move on from the thought of Hitchens getting cut. He's not going anywhere.

I feel bad for the players but I can't wait for all the excitement as a fan.

Oh, I don't think he's going anywhere and don't want him to.

Just saying, seeing a lot of guys in his tier get whacked gives the Chiefs some leverage in reducing his contract/re-working his contract (Similar to Watkins before 2020).

Sounds like it’s going to be a good offseason to shop out of the bargain bin.

Veach is going to get 2-3 guys that will help open up our draft a little.

Sure, it would be great to have an upgrade at the position but if Hitchens is the weakest link on your defense, that's a pretty damn good defense.

He talked specifically about that in his presser.

Feels the allure of playing with Pat and Andy with a shot to win a ring will help a few players come to KC on absurd type bargain deals because nobody will have money.

KC has a huge advantage once players aren't offered the $$$ they were hoping for.

Let's nail FA and the draft and go win another Super Bowl.

What WR do you all think Burt will try to acquire?

Yeah, a lot of players are going to have to settle for lesser contracts.

That gives good teams the advantage because if you're forced to take a lesser deal anyway, would you want to play for a loser or a bubble team?

Gonna be a fun offseason I think.

Anyone interested in Ryan Kerrigan?

He could be a low cost but productive option at DE, IMO

I woudln't mind it. I'd actually throw numbers at the pass rushing spots. Draft, FA, both.

I think he could give us what Ogbah did, just be that guy to get through when Clark and Jones get bottled up

Spags loves having a deep DL.

2019-Clark, Okafor, Ogbah, drafted Saunders
2020-Charlton, drafted Danna, added Wharton

No doubt there’s gonna be some depth added. I think at least 2 DL will be added this spring

Because chiefs are targeting OL in the first round and don't want someone to trade back into the first and snag their guy?

Hey man, I hope Schwartz and Fisher are both back and kick ass. But the reality is all of this "We don't need a tackle!" talk is predicated on TWO guys coming back from historically terrible injuries and a second year guy who opted out and had a potentially degenerative hip issue.

Chiefs are going tackle early, and they can't go early enough. If that's second round, great, but I won't be shocked if it's 1.31 or trading down into the top of the 2nd round, getting an extra pick and taking a tackle with their first pick.

Reaching for an OT in the first one when there’s better talent on the board is how you **** over your team. If he’s equal with other different positions than by all means....take that OT and be good with it. If he’s the 12th rated OT and you pass on the 3rd rated DE....then that’s ****ing stupid.