Your own arguments have already proven this largely true.

The Chiefs need a QB like Mahomes because the team isn’t "historically great"... and the outcome has been 2 SB wins and 6 consecutive AFCCGs.

The Ravens' "historically great" team doesn't need a QB like Mahomes, but also hasn't won anything at all.

If Lamar hasn't raised the Ravens' less-than-historically great teams to even come close to Mahomes success on relatively just-ok teams, what makes you think the Chiefs would want Lamar?

And if Lamar doesn't win a SB on this "historically great" team after Mahomes has won two on lessee teams, again, why would anyone pick Lamar over Mahomes?

These are your arguments, not ours.

Better roster, better coaching, AND better QB? Yeah I'm taking that team against the shit birds ROFL

Baltimore & Houston both got screwed. Both of them should have been able to keep the name, colors, and history of the Colts & Oilers. Tennessee even rubbed it in the faces of everyone this year by wearing the Oiler throwback uniforms in a game against the Texans. Bud Adams was a d-bag and his children are not much better IMHO.

This is the main reason you're here.

If the Chiefs lose, hey that obviously sucks, but we still have a very solid Defense and some young playmakers in Rashee Rice and Pacheco. As long as Veach continues doing what he's been doing the last 7 years, we'll probably be right in the thick of it next year.

After a couple of recent super bowls and post season success, a loss here and there doesn't hurt too bad. We'll be back.

Love the passion:

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Man, they've REALLY talked themselves into circles the past few days.

They are entirely puffing their chests out because their team took the regular season more seriously than the Chiefs did...and the Chiefs STILL put up identical YPP on both sides of the ball EVEN WITH all the struggles we had on offense. The only thing and I mean ONLY separating the records is fluke turnovers. Playoff Pat showed up...and eviscerated a "more talented" Bills team

Dude, you and your team are no different than the ones that came before. Bengals, Bills, Niners, Eagles,..

We don't care. You might get one on us like The Bengals. But the next year will be another team, and we'll still be there and almost always win in January and February.

If The Chiefs play anywhere near a clean game, you're ****ed.

Bolton states it starts up front this week with the DL and linebackers stopping the run.

Straight relay from all they have been hearing from Spags/Cullen/Daly... this is going to be a game where they force Lamar to win with his arm. Which he can do. But he's gonna have to.

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They all are here to tell us how great their team is and how much the Chiefs don't stand a chance in a passive aggressive manner. Ewwww I for one am terrified. Ewwwww.....

Oh, if the hypothetical was whether the Chiefs would trade for Lamar, I absolutely don't believe that would happen. I'm honestly not sure how many teams would given that that no one really tried this offseason. But I also don't think the Ravens would trade Lamar for anyone unless/until there's some wall he clearly can't climb over in the playoffs.

All of the pressure is on Lamar, not Mahomes. If Mahomes retired today he's a first ballot HOF.

Lamar has to win this game. There isn't gonna be a better time.

He's only gonna be more expensive next year and the years to come. The AFC is also gonna be a gauntlet with Mahomes, Burrow, Allen and Stroud.

Chiefs at their most vulnerable and Burrow hurt have helped you immensely. The odds of you getting the 1 seed next year with that wrecking ball of a division is slim to none.

Lamar losses now then he probably won't ever make the Super Bowl.

The message from Cullen about the DL staying home that got half-ignored last week is a great learning experience for this week.

We're ready to rock.

Unlike last game where the Chiefs allowed the Bills to run and kept Allen from throwing a ton...

I take the Ravens as seriously as they probably took the twenty ten Cassel Chiefs

Tell me you’re on crack without telling me you’re on crack.

Soft. Soft soft soft soft. Call your shot. Either you're the big, bad bully and everyone else is just an also ran, or you're just another team that can lose. Saying you're a cut above everyone else but also that you can lose is hedging your bets in the most transparently weak way. Grow a pair and decide who you think you are.

And Lamar is equal to Mahomes in his amazingness and doesn't need a great team around him to win, except that he had one playoff win in his career prior to last weekend... and now that he has all the perfect pieces around him, he's obviously proven the doubters wrong that he's a great passer by throwing for over 3000 yards for the 2nd time ever.

If they win the SB this year, Lamar will have proven all the doubters wrong by carrying an already historically great team on his shoulders.

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There is some irony in being told, by fans of another team, who registered and joined this message board once they knew the Chiefs were the matchup in the AFC title game, that WE are trying to make ourselves feel better.

Yes, WE are the ones doing that. Right.

Please tell me how wading through the dog shit that is hordes of zombie NPCs parroting the same five takes over and over again and having people DM me deplorable shit in my inbox is a way to make myself feel better. If I was seeking validation, I would have given up a long time ago. There is none of that to be found in this wretched place :evil:

The reality is I think it's actually useful to remove yourself from the echo chamber that is your bubble and expose yourself to opinions you might instinctively disagree with for the sake of expanding your own horizons and creating a dialogue with other people to facilitate sharing ideas.

Love the unis too. Their color scheme is awesome. We should've stolen that too o:-)

I think this is the irony duncan just mentioned, but I'm no savant.

The Ravens are coming, the Ravens are coming...... (Lamar as a bearded Scotsman)

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Are you guys a monolith? Do the other posters here speak for you?

Because the posters (not you) who are expressly stating that the results of this game do not matter in the sense that no matter whether the Chiefs win or lose they are still in a different class are puffing on copium and definitely trying to make themselves feel better.

In fairness, this is new for them. They're all excited like 5 year olds on Christmas Eve.

Whereas for us, it's old hat. It's expected. If we don't play in the AFC Championship game and then the Super Bowl, the season was a total disappointment.

Not to mention our message board is the best in the world of sports.

They're flocking here because they just want a little of our greatness to rub off on them.

LMAO - keep telling yourself that, sugar. If you keep repeating it often enough, you, yourself, may even believe it at some point...

I’m just waiting for that one dude’s 3 year old to find his way to the keyboard and elevate the level of conversation from the Ravens’ side.

Lol.

The Chiefs absolutely are the bully of the AFC, that much is self explanatory. But you're acting like if the bully loses, its a devastating blow. It's not.

It was the same with the Patriots and its the same with the Chiefs. We might lose a few playoff games along the way, but we're always in contention. We'll just come back next year. The fear of losing for Chiefs fans is so negligible in this era because of the certainty that we'll be back again.

Sure, Jan

I know you live in Kansas or whatever so you might not know any, but believe me, you don't want to be like Patriots fans. Stop yourself before it's too late.

Do you even know what state the Chiefs play in lol

Parking Lot, USA.

I bet you typed that from your mom's basement in Bowie.

Know how I know I'm spot on?

When you run out of points to make, call some names, that'll work...

We've drafted several GOATs, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed. We signed Justing Tucker as an undrafted FA. Jonathan Ogden is considered one of the greatest LT of all time.

Did you flee Kansas to come to DC for actual work? Definitely a transplant because a local would know there aren't many Ravens fans in PG County.

Nope.

What used to be devastation, is now only disappointment.

You lose the AFC Championship at home, Ravens fans will be devastated.

We've been there, done that.

Good for you, you want a cookie?

so no lol

That was 3 days ago.

Oh don't worry, we've had to deal with plenty of Pats fans around here, and we saw what it was like for them when their dynasty was finally over and they returned to mediocrity. They were totally in denial when it was happening, acting like entitled little assholes thinking that winning was their birth right.

I can't speak for all Chiefs fans, but ill put it like this. We've already played and lost in so many crushing playoff games. We lost a game where the other team kicked 6 field goals and 0 TDs. We lost a game where we had a 4 TD lead in the 2nd half. We lost a game where a QB threw a touchdown TO HIMSELF. We lost a game where our kicker Who Shall Not Be Named missed 3 FGs and any one of them going in would've won us the game.

And we also know this era won't last forever. Eventually something will happen and the Chiefs success will run out. But, at least for me, I won't be in denial that its happening like Pats fans. This is all just a gift, and ill be enjoying every second of it. And when it finally ends, I can accept our return to mediocrity and just remember that I enjoyed the golden times when they were actually happening.

Weak sauce...

Oh man, we broke this guy.... put the 3 year old on, please.

For OWD, nothing happened before 1996... unless it make his point better...

I don't think anyone thinks that Mahomes will play to 45. But the fact is he had 2 rings at age 27, while Brady had 3, but Brady didn't win another one (his 4th) till age 36. Mahomes has a lot of time to 'catch up' to get to 4 long before Brady ever did so that's something to consider.

The difference with Lamar is he's 27 and has zero. In fact, he's never even played for one. You say he's 'got plenty of time' like Mahomes, which is technically true, but its not like he's literally in the conference Title Game every single year (which Mahomes has been), which makes Pat's odds MUCH better to add to that ring collection than Lamar.

This is Lamar's first BIG playoff game. No one knows how he's gonna perform, not even Ravens fans. He's NEVER been in this situation before.

Guess we'll see on Sunday . . . . . .

Probably worse for Ravens fan, since they feel they're invincible.

I'm wondering this.

Mahomes is healthy and barring in game injuries should have a better WR core than he did in last years AFCCG.

Is a fully healthy Mahomes and some better receiving weapons worse off in Baltimore than 1 legged Mahomes throwing to Marcus Kemp and MVS against a healthy Cincy team at home last year?

The results of this game are less legacy-defining for the Chiefs, Mahomes, and Reid than they are for the Ravens.

There's no copium in that statement.

Chiefs win and go on to the Super Bowl, when so much had gone wrong up to the playoffs AND hurdling a team that had so much go right this year? OK, they stamp their dynasty legacy and keep Mahomes pacing favorably with Brady for GOAT status.

Chiefs lose, the floor for their season is the same (AFC championship game), and that is with a ton of things going wrong for them throughout the season (Penalties, turnover margin, WR room not coming together effectively).

If the Ravens don't win Sunday despite having so much go right this year, it's a damning hit to Jackson's legacy and presents the questions of "if the Ravens can't get over the Chiefs' hurdle THIS Year, what/when/how are they going to get over it in the future?"

But again. It's rich to see people saying Chiefs fans are seeking validation or puffing on copium ... on our own message board.

Simply put, the majority of the pressure is absolutely on Lamar and the Ravens. Its undeniable. This is their BEST chance to beat KC and if they don't, well its going to go down as a huge failure.

KC loses and it wont be perceived as a huge failure.

For me at least it would have to take something really awful (13 seconds) to be devastated by a loss Sunday. Losing at home in 2006 when we Peyton Manning and Colts scored 0 touchdowns yet the Ravens still lost was brutal, the Lee Evans/Billy Cundiff game were brutal. We lose a close game that could go either way I'll tip my hat. Disappointed yes, devastated, probably not.

This.

If the Ravens lose this one, you all will feel just like we did when we lost to the Patriots in the 2018 AFC Title Game. Devastated.

Of course, Mahomes and the team more than made up for it by coming back in 2019 and winning it all.

We'll see how Lamar responds going forward, win or lose. Can he string together a couple title game appearances back to back? (as opposed to, say, just a random number, like six)

Stakes are incredibly high for both teams. Obviously for the Ravens Lamar hasn't won one yet, but the Ravens have won a couple in the past 20 years-ish, and Lamar did just take his team to the AFCCG which can't be considered a failure.

For the Chiefs it's the last opportunity to get back-to-back Superbowls with the majority of this crew. And as Nick Wright pointed out, they are 2 wins away from having the greatest 5-year run in NFL history. Not to mention an instant slam-dunk top 3 NFL dynasty of all time. Will KC be embarrassed if that doesn't happen? No, of course not. But the opportunity is so rare. It's probably not going to come again.

You know what is interesting to me about all this..

Roquan Smith, Kyle Van Noy...Marcus Williams all acting extremely confident, talking shit like they got this right along with the fan base..

Lamar Jackson...acting completely different saying he doesn't like facing Mahomes, it's like one of these guys knows what's coming.

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First home AFC Championship Game in Baltimore since the early 1970’s.

A Ravens loss will be devastating… despite our attempts to downplay it.

What exactly went wrong for KC this year? Your GM constructed a mid roster by not getting any receivers? And that’s hand waved away? You did that.

Also suggesting that a guy is in the GOAT conversation while also explaining away how a loss as acceptable is incongruent. If he’s the GOAT, he wins this game. He beats the DVOA darlings with the MVP in their house. If he doesn’t win that game, it matters. As a non-Chiefs fan, I’ll tell you right now that I won’t think of him the way people here want me to. Because people here aren’t saying he’s very good—they’re saying he is the greatest to ever do it. Then prove it no matter the circumstances.

If you construct a mid roster and the baby goat loses, you’re not who people on this board are telling me you are. You don’t have the Pats’ cache, not even close. You might think you’re “on track,” but you’re not there just as much as no one here will give credit to Lamar/the Ravens for being “on track” for a Super Bowl when it’s all said and done. You have to actually do it in games like this. Defend your title.

Spinning this narrative that this game is a win/win for the Chiefs should be beneath you if you think these guys are who you say they are.

You have manically posted 150+ posts here during the past 24 hours. ROFL

And each subsequent post sounds more incoherent.

The Chiefs are living rent free in your head and your fear is palpable.

LOL...You're in a glass house (or basement). Maryland is a crime ridden trashed state that unloads hundreds of thousands of its depressed residents on Virginia. They flock here. They'll probably lose a seat in the house if it keeps up. I think I heard a few years ago that Maryland lost the most residents of any mid-atlantic state and most came here...To Virginia.

None of those players are the greatest of all time at their respective positions.

GOAT fail by you.

Try again.

Baltimore doesn’t provide the country with anything but a smelly wharf, one long ti me CP member and a QB that sounds like simple jack when he talks.

Ray Lewis got destroyed by Brian waters…and he should be in prison for murder.

The only true thing Baltimore provides as a city is a location for hbo crime series.

I don't care how fast Lamar can run. Dumb quarterbacks just don't scare me. And he seems dumb.

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The guy with 35 thousands posts that, if anything like the ones in this thread, involve yelling into the void is talking about my 150 posts. You sound as out of touch as the program in your avi.

The team made an excellent choice with the color scheme of the ravens by modeling it after the color pallet of a bruise.

It will match your delicate lady parts if the terrible, awe full, unproven talentless hacks from Kansas City somehow miraculously win.

By the time mahomes is done in KC, they will have more super bowls than Benjamin Buford Blue had shrimp recipes….

Sorry, The Mahomes of TV Shows!

Lamar’s knickname honestly should be radio.

Lawrence Taylor and Ronnie Lott laugh in your general direction.

Mahomes has already won a Super Bowl while taking up the highest percentage of the cap of all time (edit: second-highest of anyone who has even QB'd in the Super Bowl), so I don't need to see more to question if he can elevate a less-than-perfect roster situation. He just showed he can (and on a bad ankle for 2 and 3/4 games in the playoffs, to boot).

What went wrong for KC this year was the plan for the WR room. Multi-variate. Valdes-Scantling regressed badly (prior to last week's game against Buffalo, he had done much less than a year ago). Skyy Moore didn't translate steps forward in practice/camp to a step forward on the field. Kadarius Toney got hurt and then couldn't catch a cold. Richie James was signed as veteran insurance for those last two players and got hurt early.

Everything else from a planning perspective has worked out pretty well. You can't account for or expect being -15 or whatever it was in turnovers, but that could be called out as another, more random "gone wrong."

Not saying it wouldn't be disappointing to fail to get there. It would hurt the Chiefs and Mahomes' legacies a bit.

But that doesn't mean it hurts them as much as it hurts Jackson and the Ravens. It's hard to build a team that's this complete and that stays this healthy come the last 3 weeks of the season. To not win in that spot, and when you haven't done it yet, tarnishes a legacy far more than hitting your min outcome under a regime.

If we are looking at rivals outside of the division I would be fine with this. Much better than the Bengals or Bills.

I know you've gotten the impression that everyone here thinks Mahomes the GOAT or future GOAT or whatever you want to call it. And I mean, you're on a Chiefs board, I don't know what reaction you were expecting from us.

But the reality is, there's a 99% chance that Mahomes won't catch Brady in rings, which already seals the deal for most as far as him ever being regarded as the GOAT. In fact, the two head to head loses to Brady in the playoffs already seals it. That will be hung over his head for the rest of his career. So in reality, he's already out of that conversation, no matter what else happens in his career. If you ask any reasonable Chiefs fan, we don't really care if you think he's the GOAT, we're just happy and thankful that this future HOFer that has saved our franchise is on our team.

But to the rest of your point, he's already slayed teams that are better than his in the postseason. 49ers were favorites. Eagles were favorites. Bills a couple times were considered better because Allen was considered Mahomes equal and the Bills usually had a better defense. The Bengals were considered our kryptonite until we knocked them off. He doesn't have to prove that he can beat better teams, he's already doing it.

And if you look at the Pats, they had about a 10 year stretch of getting knocked out somewhere in the playoffs after those first 3 rings. To suggest that us losing means we aren't the bullies of the AFC is pretty ridiculous when the Patriots had a whole stretch of losing and were still regarded as the big dogs of the AFC.

Can we get someone to post the list of teams Mahomes broke to date?

I think the funniest part of the raven banter…..is that chiefs fans know the team isn’t as good as it has been overall, we know there are injuries and that our wide receivers dropped more passes this year than Raven fans mothers did babies….and we still have a decent chance at a Super Bowl.

If they don’t win, I’ll be disappointed, but know that the team has an excellent young defense, the best qb in the league and all of the potential in the world to get even better over the next 4~6 years.

Baltimore has had a better season than they expected, playing in a banged up division of jags, and have this shot and then are a kneecap away from Lamar being RG4.

You have said yourself it’s a team game. Mahomes cannot control the mistakes of his teammates, like Mecole Hardman fumbling away 7 points last week. How many people hold a negative view of Tom Brady for failing to make the Playoffs in 2002 right after winning a championship? He also failed to win a ring in 15 of 22 seasons while losing to the likes of Ryan Tannehill and Nick Foles.

Chiefs looked dead in the water on Christmas Day. As a guy with more pessimistic views, I was actually somewhat concerned they would lose their final 2 games and miss the Playoffs entirely. I think it’s pretty amazing the Chiefs got their act together enough to make it to the Conference title game. The Ravens are a great TEAM and should win the game.

The bengals, browns or Steelers would all have won your division this year if mahomes had been their qb this season.

You guys really do live on Planet Chiefs. Down here on earth everyone knew the Bills were decimated by injuries as were the Dolphins.

But it will be so much fun to watch him make it an argument.