If that's true, it would explain his quiet transition to the "we're all in this together" bullshit as there's no way he'd want that kind of blemish on his image if both teams left KC.

Dude is such a useless pussy

Dean Spanos put it to a vote hey build me a stadium in the middle of downtown where I plan to pay not one dime and **** traffic up even more than it already is for like 7 years!

And the people of San Diego said uh, hey you cash-starved wannabe billionaire go **** yourself.

So he packed up and left. And it's really sad because Dean couldn't even afford to build a stadium so now he has a LANDLORD who is a direct competitor for eyeballs in the same city and nobody gives a shit about them at all.

And the saddest thing is...it worked. The team is worth more than ever before and they actually have a good team and the San Diego fans are shit out of luck with nothing but their own righteous indignation to cheer for. They were right to tell him to shove it, he wanted to totally screw up downtown.

He also knew they would vote it down. He honestly should be dragged into the street and tarred and feathered then sent out on a barge into the Pacific Ocean.

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Ah yeah I remember reading some grumblings about highway logistics being a challenge for the EV

The P&L bit seems odd as the EV seems more like a continuation of an existing entertainment district if built out but I guess different owners so maybe there was some pushback on developing additional entertainment

Maybe just maybe you don’t need an entertainment district John. Just be happy with a shiny new stadium cocksmith

How about a stadium half in KS and half in MO? That would be pretty damn unique. Have State Line go right down the center of the field from home plate to second base to the outfield.

Yeah I was looking at the map and walking from P&L to EV is .6 miles and .5 miles to the Crossroad stadium.

No need for an entertainment district in the EV IMHO

Even the crossroads plan was going to throw up some unnecessary hotel/conference center bullshit so John could make a little extra leaching off the taxpayers. Always an extra grift baked in

Little off on distances there.

American Royal Dr to Caesar Chaves Ave then East to the SW Blvd I-35 interchange will get you the hell outa there.

The Kansas politician this morning on Jason Anderson's show let slip that Downtown Overland Park, like that 80th and Metcalf area submitted a proposal for Royals and my brain instantly thought of turning that area into a Wrigleyville of sorts and that sounds incredible.

At least half of Wrigley's attendance arrives by train and the north side of Chicago is still gridlock on games days

Thinking about running literally anywhere, checks Cubs schedule for home or away game first

Home valuations and flipping your driveway for parking would be nice perks though

That sounds pretty awful. That area, with little around it beyond local people and traffic, already gets pretty congested. I’d have no idea how that would possibly work.

You are misunderstanding me, it wasn't a total ghost town. There wee places to party and live back then, you just had to know where to go.

I'm not disputing how crowded it's become.

They'd have to demolish a ton of property there surely? If they go to JoCo I'd expect they would go to one of the big developments with a ton of open land like Bluhawk or Lenexa City Center. Maybe the old Sprint Campus.

lol if you think downtown Overland Park would be congested I can't imagine College Blvd where the Sprint campus is. That's very close to where I grew up and it would completely wreck an already congested area

I think my top 3 favorite parks that I have been to would be 1) Petco, 2) Camden and 3) Fenway.

On my list to get to is Oracle Park and PNC park as unique and beautiful.

If the EV had a congestion problem while be bordered on two sides by 71 and i-70 and a 10 minute walk to light rail then imagine the congestion concerns for downtown OP whose closest highway is over a mile.

Cmon downtown OP is ON a highway!





lol metcalf

The old sprint area would be a big ol mess but hey tailgating at Cheesecake Factory

Nashville

not a terrible idea but would be really weird for taxes. which state does the player getting paid pay taxes to? what about concessions?

Kansas, I would think. Unless they hit a home run into Missouri. Then they would owe a prorated chunk of that game check to MO.

Is the homerun hit at the plate?
Or is it only a homerun once it flies over the fence?

I think I could argue either and I didn't even go to lawyer school.

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I get this isn't a thread about the Chargers, but didn't they just pick in the top 5 in the draft a couple of months ago?

Imagining that the Chargers don't have talent and that that talent isn't going to be utilized by John Harbaugh is kind of silly.

They had a fake coach a fake coordinator and a hurt QB last season.

Lol. **** both of these teams. They see the trash and the homeless and the abandoned homes as their limo driver bashes through Missouri potholes, knowing that they are leaving a deficit. They know every dollar they make is another dollar that a small local business doesn't get. And then they threaten to leave because we haven't given them enough? They should be ashamed.

And the self righteous, demeaning, vote yes trolls can go drink MO river water.

Speaking of The Current, anyone here enjoyed the "parking" situation at a match yet? 5 minutes into that experience and you would vote no the rest of your life.

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...diums-generate

https://www.kctv5.com/2024/07/08/fra...ackson-county/

And there you heard it from Frank. He's not going to endorse a deal where the city loses money to billionaires for the next 40 years. You Frank haters need to check the real reasons why you really hate him and also stop the love affair for the billionaires on welfare.

I really don't understand how pointing out sports owners are billionaire changes the situation. Do you guys create and watch your own produced puppet shows to avoid giving the Hollywood billionaires any money? Do you just starve to avoid giving the farming billionaires money or raise your own food out back?

If you don't want to pay the tax, fine, but I don't see how Clark being a billionaire is that big of a point.

Got to go Raiders here and play at the K while Arrowhead is completely renovated to current specs. The fountain can go

Goodness you are miserable. Do you ever think or post anything positive?

Stadiums keep teams in an area and sports teams are a source of civic pride. That’s why when they win a championship you see huge parades. Fans cheer them on and celebrate despite them being owned by billionaires and residents paying to help fund stadiums.

Because billions = can pay for it himself.

Didn't finish the math because I was done with the shitter, but when I likened the loan Verizon took out to acquire Vodafone to the hypothetical deal Clark would have to make in order to finance a stadium himself, it wasn't anywhere near the amount needed to build a "sufficient" stadium.

I think the "civic pride" is kinda overlooked when the city infrastructure is falling apart?

I don't think Missouri should have voted yes for all the reasons stated. But I also don't think grown adults should act like babies about having to go to Kansas to watch a game. It's five minutes over state line and people in here holding a grudge from the Civil War.

It's one thing to joke about Missouri / Kansas rivalry. It's quite another to be actually furious about driving across state line to watch the Chiefs which thankfully aren't moving to San Antonio or something. Fix your infrastructure then. Sounds great. Fix your potholes. Get Missouri fixed. At the same time don't bitch about getting a freaking dome in the city done while still not screwing up Missouri taxes even more. What a bunch of childish nonsense.

You don't have to pay a dime, get a new stadium anyway. Seems win win to me but I grew up in Kansas not some Raytown shithole that I'm all defensive about I guess?

Voting yes or no on continuing the 3/8 cent sales tax does nothing to improve infrastructure. The report that shows a 3 million deficit is for sure not 100% accurate. It’s easy to calculate what the county gave in taxes to the stadiums, but figuring the revenue brought in isn’t as easy. There’s no way to accurately state what was spent on gas, food, hotels, merchandise, etc…on game days/weekends that wouldn’t have been spent without the teams playing.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with it, I think the argument is that it's tough to see a billionare need money to build a stadium when the area needs revitalizing etc etc.

If I want to go to a game then I have no problem paying clark for a ticket and parking and a beer. If I want to watch my favorite millionaire actor in a movie by my favorite millionaire director I have no problem with that. I am willing to pay market price for my entertainment.

Im willing for my tax dollars to go help people and organizations that need the help taking care of people and basic needs for people and the city.

But why should my tax money go to a business owner that doesn't need the help? Maybe if the tax money has a return of investment that the city could then use, but that isn't even happening. No more corporate welfare. Being a billionaire just makes it all more disgusting. He doesn't need my tax money.

While there's truth there, the reality is that no one has leverage on the NFL. They are more powerful than ever, and a lot of that is due to the Chiefs funny enough. The idea that Frank White or anyone has leverage over any NFL team just isn't true, and it's going to be especially true with the Chiefs. The NFL just had it's best year ever, ratings are through the roof and the salary cap went up way more than expected because last year went so well. It'd be a huge thing to have any NFL team, but the Chiefs are the back to back champs, they're basically on national TV 12-13 times a year, Mahomes is one of the most famous athletes in America, Taylor Swift is putting Chiefs references in her concerts all over the world.

Clark Hunt can basically do whatever he wants. There might not be an American sports team with more power right now. And that's what everyone who grew up a Chiefs fan always dreamed of. But that comes with a price. That's the other reality is if they leave I'd put pretty good odds Jackson County will pass some other kind of tax to make up for the lost revenue. It's not just the travel and all that but they'll lose all the game check taxes to Kansas as well. Not that it'll cripple the county but all this talk about what the county needs and it's all true, but letting these teams walk will still create a tax hit, on top of the counties probably having to eat knocking down the sports complex because they own the stadiums.

It really comes down to if you don't want teams to have this kind of power, don't watch the NFL. Don't be posting on an NFL team's message board. You have to walk away because you've given them a lot of power.

Oh for sure.

They've got the leverage, which is why this is happening now. If the county wants them to foot the bill or leave, so be it and I really understand the reasoning.

But it'll have some consequences

Voting no is an act of stupidity. Enjoy your worthless tiny shit amount of saved tax money.

But a lot of areas have needed revitalization for quite a while. It’s not like this happened overnight. It’s been a slow rot and it was neglected until politicians want to suddenly make it a talking point. If the current 3/8 cent tax would actually go for infrastructure, that would be one thing. I highly doubt that it will though.

I think both sides can be right. I wouldn't want to give rich dudes handouts on principle. I also wouldn't want to be San Diego and lose the team.

No one said it should. Like I said you're free to vote no.

But it's weird to have a good amount of your life dedicated to something owned by a billionaire but then try to play the don't support billionaires card.

And I don't get why people act like after the tax money is spent, the billionaire owns the stadium and not the city/county/people.

It’s sweet to imagine billionaires as philanthropic and that they are in love with their team and fan base. I think they love money.

Deciding someone has too much money isn’t going to encourage their good will.

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Chargers are a poverty franchise and still can manage to get this.

Not a good look for our players who want a helmet pizza oven. Where's MY pizza oven??


Obligatory:

O/U Chargers players on IR with pizza oven related injuries this season

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Stadium Watch 2024 -Jackson County Residents: How Are You Voting?
 

Looks like a pharaoh’s head piece.

still not big enough to fit Rivers' head

"Player x takes millions less to play with the Chargers"
"I just wanted to use that pizza helmet oven."

I honestly can't believe some of you are acting like the absolute shit infrastructure, roads and such is because of a 3/8 cent tax that has been in effect for decades. Blame your shitty politicians and how they use the funds.

****ing reerun Vonbobo acting like Frank White is looking out for anyone but Frank is hilarious. ****ing chode.

Congratulations on saving your $150 per year in an effort to stick it to the man.

When the chiefs are losing does the city get its money back?

What about residents who don't enjoy the chiefs or sports? Why do they have to pay? Why do adults of the future who aren't even born yet have to pay for the stadium?

A ticket is a personal choice on where my money is spent. A stadium tax is extorting money from an entire population whether they enjoy sports or not.

Do the Chiefs own the stadium? Nope, the city/county does. They can absolutely do whatever they want with the stadium the 355/356 days a year that the Chiefs are not playing there.

I won’t say things that gets this pushed to DC but there are plenty of things taxpayers have to pay for even if they don’t enjoy what their taxes fund.

Lastly it’s not even a new tax but one that is already in place. It would have just been an extension of that. How many people have noticed that difference week in and week out over the years? How many will see any difference if it goes away?

People tend to take pride in where they are from/currently live and having sports teams contributes to that. This is especially true of places that aren’t populated by transients whose loyalty is elsewhere.

Are you trying to minimize taxation arguments? Lol, it's like you don't even know the history of our country.

I wonder how many of you all vote to end entitlement benefits that people have earned and need while at the same time are upset about people not wanting to give a billionaire money for a game.

You are incorrect. The stadium tax extension would not have paid for the royals downtown stadium. If the extension passed the royals would have put their hands into our money a second time.

There are also residents that don't take pride in having a sports team. There are even.... gasp.. cities without pro teams that still have a lot of pride. Can you even imagine?

Maybe KC just isn't able to afford the luxury of supporting two sports teams anymore? Maybe this is better left to cities with better public transportation and more tourism dollars because of mountains or oceans or massive casinos? Why would someone from out of state choose KC over Vegas, Colorado, or the Pacific ocean? So they can eat BBQ in an airport and a 45 minute drive in a rental car? Have you seen the cost of our above average hotels lately? The prices are not that far off from some hotel rooms in Manhattan NY.

Franks motive to being the guy that lost the teams is just self service? That's some rage hate logic for ya.

What's the real reason you hate frank. I bet you can't admit it here.

1. I agree that there are residents who don’t like or take pride in sports teams. But based on the turnouts for three SB parades and a WS parade, it’s clear that many do care.

2. Gasp there are cities without a pro team and many of them trip over themselves to get one. Perhaps they could be proud of their town while also having a pro team on the national stage that represents them. Why else would they push so hard for a pro team?

3. Perhaps KC and Jackson County proper can’t afford two teams, I don’t know. But the metro area (to include Kansas) easily can.

4. How does the areas you mentioned figure into a sports team?

I pray for you as you genuinely seem bitter and angry. Simply put the tax would have been a continuation of what was already in place, not a new tax.

It’s fascinating watching vonBobo lash out and go through this crisis as he processes the widening gap from his complete certainty the teams weren’t leaving to the distinct possibility they are both gone.

Everything he's complaining about is pretty valid but there are more options between giving billionaires a handout against taxpayers' will and a team leaving your city.

Enter STAR bonds

*Citation needed

The NFL has been loud and proud about extorting cities and leaving to the highest bidder for many many many years. They have never been bluffing. Chargers, Rams, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Cardinals, Oilers.. hell even the Chiefs aren't from here. What a huge middle finger it would be if the chiefs went back home to Texas lol.

I think I combined you and Jettio, who has been far more insistent that the Clarks want to stay at Arrowhead and wouldn’t ever leave.

If only for one night people need to be reminded we're all on the same side. Sports can at least temporarily place us in that space, and for many years, at minimum allow is to grieve together.

We finally have a reason to celebrate and people can't wait to piss on the next guy's leg. Shake it off...

Chiefs give themselves 6 months to decide their future residence.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/564...-ends-in-2030/

The article is from The Athletic but here are the first 2 paragraphs:

“ Even before the Kansas City Chiefs held their first full-team practice at training camp for their 2024 campaign, the team has put a self-imposed deadline on deciding the future of its home venue beyond the 2030 season.

Team president Mark Donovan acknowledged in a news conference Friday that the franchise plans to decide in six months on a stadium and which side of the state line, Missouri or Kansas, it will play its home games in.”

Sounds like they’re committed to the KC area at least.

So their decision is between Kansas at the Legends and...what? Is anybody else even working on something?

Yeah, that sounds like optics for just saying we are totally taking the Kansas deal and we’re giving Missouri a little bit of time to come up with some kind of plan at least to save face. Like what do they have to even choose from there is one proposal

One option is to stay at Arrowhead and they discuss that option. My points were that we should have a Decision within a few months and they seem to be committed to staying in the KC area.

So they would stay at Arrowhead and just live there without any renovation funds of any kind, then? Essentially no new deal has been or will be proposed from the Missouri side?

Weren't they working on a proposal that would've essentially gave the Chiefs their half of the tax? 3/16ths IIRC.

The Hunts aren't stupid. They aren't going to throw a bunch of money into a facility until the "Where" part is figure out. In 6 months when they have that figured out. I'm guessing the practice facility/campus will start right away.

I'm sure it doesn't sit well with the Clarks when he sees what the Raiders and Chargers are working with while his team that is coming off of back-to-back championships can't get the ****ing air conditioning working in their practice facility.

Jackson County and/or the state of Missouri is going to dick this up and lose the Chiefs to Kansas, aren't they? I can just feel it looming on the horizon.

Of course they are. Missouri never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Appears very likely.

Meh, it's not like one MO county can compete with an entire state; so Missouri (the state) might have very well lost the teams to the State of Kansas because of their arrogance of/for the eastern side of the state. Sadly both states' capitols don't worry too much about their western areas/counties.

Meh, I'd rather see the Kansans strapped with the bill, I don't mind the occasional extra few minutes drive. But Missouri will never learn...

KS foots the bill and KCMO gets better roads and stuff with the savings

win/win

Maybe. And if so, IMO, that's terrible. And even though it'll just be a short drive across the state line, it won't be the same. A part of KC Missouri, that galvanized generations, will be gone forever.

Good joke

I meant schools, yeah, better schools and soundbars for residents holding strong