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Hammock Parties 09-18-2013 08:46 AM

Actually, I'm leaning towards Smith vs Green being a wash at this point.

Green was clearly a better and more productive passer with more ability to throw downfield accurately, but Smith's scrambling is a real asset to this offense that Green never had.

Mentally they're about the same.

It's close.

Omaha 09-18-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9989922)
This is just dumb on so many levels. Green had a season where he damn near averaged 300 yards a game passing with a 67 percent completion percentage. Green could actually throw to WR's and get the ball down field. He was a top 5-10 QB in his best days. It's been so long that I think you forgot just how good the guy was.

Maybe. I don't remember him throwing to the WRs all that often. I always felt like he dumped the ball off to Holmes and TG more than anything. I was never confident when he dropped back to throw. His release was so awkward and he threw so many INTs in his first couple of years that my perception may be off, but I don't remember him throwing downfield a lot.

Omaha 09-18-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9989975)
You can go **** yourself for this statement:

"I would take Smith over Green" was downright reeruned."

You don't even know how to use quotes. You dumb!

Alex Smiff 09-18-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj (Post 9989925)
As for your point that Alex tanked in the title game, he is the only guy who made a big play to have them in the game. Throw out the comp % , i was at this game and many others in SF, never been in this kind of weather for a football game ever in my life. His 76 yrder to Davis, another 37 yrdr and was winning. No turnovers whatsoever in a defensive battle. It took Eli 58 attempts to get to 300 yrds an avg a meager 5 yrds attempt. Smith did not tank that game at all. I agree with alot of what you say about his play from when he was drafted. But you had to be at that game to see how gritty an tough it was.

GTFOH. He completed just 12 passes the ENTIRE game and just one to a receiver. Was 0 for on 3rd downs. He played terribly but his numbers looked good. It should have never come down to KW fumbles.

He is ass on 3rd downs even in KC. You're not winning anything by being that terrible on 3rd downs too afraid to throw the ball downfield....

Alex Smiff 09-18-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 9989984)
You don't even know how to use quotes. You dumb!

OK Einstein :deevee:

BigCatDaddy 09-18-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 9989981)
Maybe. I don't remember him throwing to the WRs all that often. I always felt like he dumped the ball off to Holmes and TG more than anything. I was never confident when he dropped back to throw. His release was so awkward and he threw so many INTs in his first couple of years that my perception may be off, but I don't remember him throwing downfield a lot.

The deep outs were a staple of that offense. Kennison resurrected his career with those routes. They did run a lot of screens as well though.

JENKINSWINS 09-18-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9989957)
This is the type of reeruned shit you hear from Smith fanboys. It's like the twilight zone.

The pro-Smith guys have been right all along.

pro-Smith guy - "All he needs is better coaching and consistency in one offensive scheme."

Proof - 21 wins 5 losses

anti-Smith guy - "He sux and always will"

Proof - 21 win 5 losses

I don't see anything wrong with being a fan of a winning QB. Now hating on one is a different story, especially if he was winning as your former QB. The guy was 1 muffed punt away from going to the Superbowl and possibly winning it. You're QB now was the main reason for the loss in Seattle yet you are here mad at Alex.

Go Alex!

Bearcat 09-18-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 9989981)
Maybe. I don't remember him throwing to the WRs all that often. I always felt like he dumped the ball off to Holmes and TG more than anything. I was never confident when he dropped back to throw. His release was so awkward and he threw so many INTs in his first couple of years that my perception may be off, but I don't remember him throwing downfield a lot.

Uh, Green threw for 4500 yards one year and had 5 seasons in a row where he basically threw for 3700+ each season (missed it by 10 yards once), and 4000+ 3 years in a row. I know they had a lot of YAC in that system, but that system stretched the field quite a bit, too. Smith's thrown over 3000 once (3144), and had a pretty good team around him in 2011 and 2012.

Could today's Alex Smith step into Green's shoes in that system and done just as well? No one should even act like they know the answer to that... not impossible by any means, but one hurdle would be that the system sacrifices some efficiency and interceptions for stretching the field, and that's obviously not a known strength of Smith at this point.

BigCatDaddy 09-18-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 9989980)
Actually, I'm leaning towards Smith vs Green being a wash at this point.

Green was clearly a better and more productive passer with more ability to throw downfield accurately, but Smith's scrambling is a real asset to this offense that Green never had.

Mentally they're about the same.

It's close.

LMAO

Bearcat 09-18-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 9990001)
The pro-Smith guys have been right all along.

pro-Smith guy - "All he needs is better coaching and consistency in one offensive scheme."

Proof - 21 wins 5 losses

anti-Smith guy - "He sux and always will"

Proof - 21 win 5 losses

I don't see anything wrong with being a fan of a winning QB. Now hating on one is a different story, especially if he was winning as your former QB. The guy was 1 muffed punt away from going to the Superbowl and possibly winning it. You're QB now was the main reason for the loss in Seattle yet you are here mad at Alex.

Go Alex!

Assuming you're not just trolling (I know, big assumption), you should reread the last few days of this thread if you really think the stuff in bold is true or that 21-5 is proof that he can consistently compete with the big boys.

Alex Smiff 09-18-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj (Post 9989978)
What has he accomplished again? A bit of insight would be helpful. Yes hes got more rushing yards and one more playoff win, but thats in 12 seasons compared to Smiths 8. 2 of which were spent on injured reserve. So please tell me what Vick has accomplished?

What has he accomplished? Well, he went into Lambeau in the playoffs when no one beat GB and beat them.

4 pro bowls, records, etc.

Was out of football for 2 years, came back and not only went to the playoffs, but went to the pro bowl.

It may not look like much but he's had a far more impressive career than your guy.

splatbass 09-18-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9989787)

I think I would feel better about the <b>LONG TERM</b> view of Alice if did what Vick did last week in a loss than what Alice did last week in a win.

So passing yards is more important to you than a win? Really? Strange. Your priorities are ****ed up.

Alex Smiff 09-18-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JENKINSWINS (Post 9990001)
The pro-Smith guys have been right all along.

pro-Smith guy - "All he needs is better coaching and consistency in one offensive scheme."

Proof - 21 wins 5 losses

anti-Smith guy - "He sux and always will"

Proof - 21 win 5 losses

I don't see anything wrong with being a fan of a winning QB. Now hating on one is a different story, especially if he was winning as your former QB. The guy was 1 muffed punt away from going to the Superbowl and possibly winning it. You're QB now was the main reason for the loss in Seattle yet you are here mad at Alex.

Go Alex!

That record is extremely deceiving. He's been along for the ride on most of those victories.

He rode a top record breaking defense. Top record breaking special teams. Top record breaking running game in 2011.

BigCatDaddy 09-18-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9990020)
So passing yards is more important to you than a win? Really? Strange. Your priorities are ****ed up.

No, the ability to put the team on his back and give them a chance to win is was I'm looking for, not have the rest of the team piggy back the QB. Do you get it now? Because like I've stated before EVENTUALLY he will need to put the team on his back when another aspect of the team faulters. Passing yards(given not garbage time yards) and TD throws/runs are just what happens with a QB puts the team on his back sort of like Vick and Rivers did last week. They aren't holding teams to < 10 points a game avg all year.

ayleswbj 09-18-2013 09:12 AM

yea that was about 13 years ago, if thats the case then lets erase all what Alex did in his career earlier as well. Like i said, hes got one more playoff win than Smith. Pro bowls are a joke. You guys had 6 last year and were 2-14. Vick is a great Athlete who has done nothing to prove he could win a team the Superbowl. His career passing % is just 6 points higher than Tebow, so there ya go and that is a 12 year body of work.


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