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BossChief 09-06-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 8882225)
That was the 2004 season, not 2005.


Face it, the NFL is a passing league, you need a good qb to contend.

Alex Smith took the 49ers to a hair away from the superbowl.

Joe Flacco took the Ravens to a hair away from the superbowl.

The conversation should be "Can Matt Cassel be as good as Alex Smith 2011, or Joe Flacco 2011?"

If the answer is yes, we will have a big year that should be fun to watch.

New World Order 09-06-2012 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8882467)
Alex Smith took the 49ers to a hair away from the superbowl.

Joe Flacco took the Ravens to a hair away from the superbowl.

The conversation should be "Can Matt Cassel be as good as Alex Smith 2011, or Joe Flacco 2011?"

If the answer is yes, we will have a big year that should be fun to watch.



The problem is Cassel has shown limited ability in sitting back in the pocket and making throws. I don't think Joe Flacco is the greatest qb of all time but we have seen him sit in shotgun and deliver the football, for example he ran the 2 minute drill and came from behind to beat Pittsburgh, one of the best defenses in the NFL. Cassel's throws as we all know come from the running game/PA. Our defense has not shown on a consistent basis that they are good enough to carry an average QB, we don't have a Ravens D.

Hammock Parties 09-06-2012 12:29 AM

No we won't, because our defense isn't and won't be as good as those teams.

This is a 8-12 defense, tops, not a top 5 defense.

And Cassel doesn't beat winning teams.

Flacco beat 7 last season ALONE.

Hammock Parties 09-06-2012 12:34 AM

Flacco has 20 wins against teams with winning records for his career, including playoff wins.

Cassel has 5.

Would you like to know more?

New World Order 09-06-2012 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8882467)
Alex Smith took the 49ers to a hair away from the superbowl.

Joe Flacco took the Ravens to a hair away from the superbowl.

The conversation should be "Can Matt Cassel be as good as Alex Smith 2011, or Joe Flacco 2011?"

If the answer is yes, we will have a big year that should be fun to watch.




Cassel only has 1 win against a winning team in a Chiefs uniform, that was Pitt in 09. Why should I believe that will change? As CR mentioned we do not have a top 5 d. We do not have anyone to play in the middle on the defensive line, our CB depth is absolutely awful, and our best d player is out week 1.

Imon Yourside 09-06-2012 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8882481)
Flacco has 20 wins against teams with winning records for his career, including playoff wins.

Cassel has 5.

Would you like to know more?

Yes, If i don't like Flacco what should I like about Cassel?

Hammock Parties 09-06-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 8882488)
Yes, If i don't like Flacco what should I like about Cassel?

Absolutely nothing.

Joe Flacco is superior to Matt Cassel in every way.

Every ****ing way.

Hammock Parties 09-06-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 8882487)
Cassel only has 1 win against a winning team in a Chiefs uniform, that was Pitt in 09. Why should I believe that will change? As CR mentioned we do not have a top 5 d. We do not have anyone to play in the middle on the defensive line, our CB depth is absolutely awful, and our best d player is out week 1.

HOLD!

He actually has two.

You need to study your textbook.

Note: neither of those teams were playoff qualifiers, and he played like dogshit in one of those games.

NJChiefsFan 09-06-2012 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8882467)
Alex Smith took the 49ers to a hair away from the superbowl.

Joe Flacco took the Ravens to a hair away from the superbowl.

The conversation should be "Can Matt Cassel be as good as Alex Smith 2011, or Joe Flacco 2011?"

If the answer is yes, we will have a big year that should be fun to watch.

Can Cassel play a game like Smith played against NO in the playoffs? No.

New World Order 09-06-2012 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8882494)
HOLD!

He actually has two.

You need to study your textbook.

Note: neither of those teams were playoff qualifiers, and he played like dogshit in one of those games.



Ah ha you are right, and he threw for 68 yards in that SD game, what a hot shit qb.

htismaqe 09-06-2012 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8882264)
I agree for the most part but, a first round QB doesn't always make a "good" QB.

Football is a game of percentages.

No, first round QBs aren't automatically good.

But your chances of finding a GOOD QB outside of the 1st round are about equal to your chances of being struck by lightning.

Black Bob 09-06-2012 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8882467)
Alex Smith took the 49ers to a hair away from the superbowl.

Joe Flacco took the Ravens to a hair away from the superbowl.

The conversation should be "Can Matt Cassel be as good as Alex Smith 2011, or Joe Flacco 2011?"

If the answer is yes, we will have a big year that should be fun to watch.

Yep, Alex Smith gave me alot of hope last year. Before that I really felt like being a leader and taking a game on your shoulders couldn't be taught. I mean making the play when it had to be made. I think this is Cassel's biggest weakness. I think it was Alex Smith's to. You almost absolutely have to be able to do that to win a superbowl. The only other way is to flat out blow people out and never trail like Green Bay did when they won it a couple of years ago.

Black Bob 09-06-2012 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8882697)
Football is a game of percentages.

No, first round QBs aren't automatically good.

But your chances of finding a GOOD QB outside of the 1st round are about equal to your chances of being struck by lightning.

But what defines a good QB? Instead of trying to find a guy that will throw for 3 million yards, we need to fine the formula for what it takes to win. If we do that, we are onto something. There have been plenty of QBs who were Capable of winning Superbowls that didn't for various reasons.

suds79 09-06-2012 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8882763)
There have been plenty of QBs who were Capable of winning Superbowls that didn't for various reasons.

You're right. Getting that franchise guy doesn't give you a SB. It makes your team eligible. From there it depends on the quality of the rest of the team, HC, etc.

But without one? No shot.

htismaqe 09-06-2012 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8882763)
But what defines a good QB?

This is the argument of defeat - semantics.

You should just give up now.


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