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Saccopoo 08-19-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9899167)
Alex Smith is risk adverse

He is not going to like trusting a receiver to win a jump ball. He wants to see separation.

I don't know if it's "risk adverse" versus understanding that turnover ratio has a direct impact on the long term success of the football team as a whole. It was the single most important thing to the success of Marty Shottenheimer as a football coach. His teams did not turn the ball over and his defenses and special teams focused on getting it back.

Calculated understanding is not "risk adverse."

And while it's fun to watch the ball go downfield, go ask a Lion's fan if they'd take a little more sustained drives versus 50 yard jump balls that end in interceptions.

We've got a kick ass punter. I don't want one in my quarterback as well.

Frosty 08-19-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9899137)
and we 9er fans thought Rashun Woods was as bad as it got :deevee:

You know what's funny? This board had a melt down when Vermiel passed on Woods in that draft.

:)

Of course, we ended up with Junior Siavii instead, so the joke was on us.

Easy 6 08-19-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 9899178)
Trust me AJ Jenkins won't be open for a variety of reasons.

I have no doubt dude has some serious issues, teams don't let first rounders go after one year very often, its almost unheard of actually.

But based strictly on potential and raw skills, i'll take the speedier guy every single time... look at a guy like Heyward-Bey, was considered a massive bust but now starts for indy, ya just never know.

The change of venue might be just what ol Jenkins needs, same could be said for Baldwin.

Jakemall 08-19-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9899192)
Wtf do people mean he's worse then Baldwn? Baldwin has done very very little to nothing if Jenkins sucks here guess what? Baldwin is that bad as well. He's had one good catch in what now 3 years. Dude is ****ing terrible. Up to this point no one wins on this trade. This basically says Baldwin wasn't going to play much for KC anyways

He is worse as of right now...but with the Chiefs maybe he has a chance to get better. I don't know. Baldwin hasn't shown that he will improve.

I'd say this trade is slightly more in favor of the Chiefs...but at the end of the day, we're still talking a turd for a turd and who really cares?

DJ's left nut 08-19-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899156)
Found this for Salary cap implications:

The 49ers dump Jenkins after just one season -- a rare development for a first-round draft pick. The team gets rid of his guaranteed salaries the next two seasons of $705,797 this season and $1.021 million next season.


Baldwin's salary of $1.061 million for this season is fully guaranteed. However, Baldwin's scheduled 2014 salary of $1.274 will be paid only if he's on the team.

Well that's a little annoying.

Next season's cap is going to be fairly tight, IIRC. We just traded for a guaranteed salary on a guy that we're pretty confident isn't going to amount to much.

It's small in the grand scheme, I guess. And it's probably worth the gamble. But now that there's another $1 million guaranteed tacked onto the 2014 cap, the opportunity cost on the move goes up a little more.

the Talking Can 08-19-2013 12:27 PM

so two people walk into a bathroom to take a shit, but before wiping they switch stalls...

Jakemall 08-19-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9899197)
You know what's funny? This board had a melt down when Vermiel passed on Woods in that draft.

:)

Of course, we ended up with Junior Siavii instead, so the joke was on us.

His career was twice as long as Woods. Just saying.

Lzen 08-19-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9898734)
49ers reached to draft Jenkins last year. He was a late 3rd/4th round talent IMO. I think he projects out to a fringe #2 or a solid #3.

90 catches for 1200+ yards in his last season in college projects to a 3rd/4th rounder? :spock:

AustinChief 08-19-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9899192)
Wtf do people mean he's worse then Baldwn? Baldwin has done very very little to nothing if Jenkins sucks here guess what? Baldwin is that bad as well. He's had one good catch in what now 3 years. Dude is ****ing terrible. Up to this point no one wins on this trade. This basically says Baldwin wasn't going to play much for KC anyways

Exactly. There is NO SUCH THING as "worse than Baldwin." He may be "as completely useless as Baldwin" but you can't get worse. You could paint jersey numbers on a rock and toss it out on the line every play and get the same results.

SanDiego49er 08-19-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9899207)
Exactly. There is NO SUCH THING as "worse than Baldwin." He may be "as completely useless as Baldwin" but you can't get worse. You could paint jersey numbers on a rock and toss it out on the line every play and get the same results.

There is worse than Baldwin. His name is AJ Jenkins....:D

Frosty 08-19-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899204)
His career was twice as long as Woods. Just saying.

Not with the Chiefs, it wasn't.

Jakemall 08-19-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9899207)
Exactly. There is NO SUCH THING as "worse than Baldwin." He may be "as completely useless as Baldwin" but you can't get worse. You could paint jersey numbers on a rock and toss it out on the line every play and get the same results.

Actually, I had this in mind:

http://s7.orientaltrading.com/is/ima...$VIEWER_IMAGE$

COchief 08-19-2013 12:32 PM

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Jakemall 08-19-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9899211)
Not with the Chiefs, it wasn't.

True... I meant in the NFL in general.

AustinChief 08-19-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899217)

That inflatable toy has better hands than Baldwin, runs better routes and has a MUCH better work ethic.


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