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Hammock Parties 09-12-2021 10:44 PM

Well, he's running out of time faster than he can gobble up yards as a gimmick.

It's becoming more obvious to me he's a fast guy who isn't particularly good at anything else.

ChiefsFanatic 09-12-2021 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15829479)
Well, he's running out of time faster than he can gobble up yards as a gimmick.

It's becoming more obvious to me he's a fast guy who isn't particularly good at anything else.

Honestly, the odds are you are correct, but with a limited role his first two seasons (one of which didn't include a training camp because of COVID-19) I just think he needs a full season with an expanded role to be evaluated fairly.

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TwistedChief 09-12-2021 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 15829474)

And while I think he can be coached up, I know for a fact that you can't teach 4.2 speed.

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I know for a fact that in a player's third year, he shouldn't run out of bounds untouched 1-2yds behind the first down marker.

And it's not like that's an aberration.

Chiefspants 09-12-2021 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15829485)
I know for a fact that in a player's third year, he shouldn't run out of bounds untouched 1-2yds behind the first down marker.

And it's not like that's an aberration.

He has Dee Ford levels of situational and on-field awareness. I'm not sure if that's going to improve at this point.

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-12-2021 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15829485)
I know for a fact that in a player's third year, he shouldn't run out of bounds untouched 1-2yds behind the first down marker.

And it's not like that's an aberration.

Yeah this isn't a 1 time thing. There's a trend. That's the big problem.

For some strange reason, there's a large chance that when you put the ball in Hardman's hands or ask him to make a play, he just does something stupid. And we're at Year 3, and wouldn't you know, it hasn't improved. He just continues to make really silly, dumb decisions. It's just bizarre to say the least.

ChiefsFanatic 09-12-2021 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15829485)
I know for a fact that in a player's third year, he shouldn't run out of bounds untouched 1-2yds behind the first down marker.



And it's not like that's an aberration.

Yeah, that was just ignorant.

That was on the same level as DRob never running north-south when he makes a catch.

Speaking of that, did anyone see Mahomes tell Robinson to run up field after he didn't get a first down? Robinson ran parallel to the line to gain, and Mahomes threw his arm out as if to say run that way dummy.

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TwistedChief 09-12-2021 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 15829492)
Yeah, that was just ignorant.

That was on the same level as DRob never running north-south when he makes a catch.

Speaking of that, did anyone see Mahomes tell Robinson to run up field after he didn't get a first down? Robinson ran parallel to the line to gain, and Mahomes threw his arm out as if to say run that way dummy.

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I don't think there's any chance Mahomes sees what we see and doesn't feel the same way.

Hammock Parties 09-12-2021 11:02 PM

The guy we're probably looking at Mecole becoming is Az-Zahir Hakim.

He was never a guy who put up a lot of huge stats, but he was fairly effective in his role within that STL offense.

If we get that out of him I guess that's OK. Just sucks he isn't more.

ChiefsFanatic 09-12-2021 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15829495)
I don't think there's any chance Mahomes sees what we see and doesn't feel the same way.

I have only seen Mahomes call out players on the field a few times.

I yelled at my TV because Robinson could have almost fallen forward and got the first down, but ran sideways into the defender, and then Mahomes did the arm thing.

But, he also was quite annoyed with Robinson when he didn't come back to the ball, but instead drifted into the end zone.

If I was an offensive player, and Mahomes made a gesture during the game pointing out my mistake, with an unhappy look on his face, I would feel like a child who just got yelled at by the cool uncle.

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-King- 09-12-2021 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 15829492)
Yeah, that was just ignorant.

That was on the same level as DRob never running north-south when he makes a catch.

Speaking of that, did anyone see Mahomes tell Robinson to run up field after he didn't get a first down? Robinson ran parallel to the line to gain, and Mahomes threw his arm out as if to say run that way dummy.

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Judging by how Toub talked about him in his presser, I think this is something EVERYBODY in the locker room and staff have been talking about. And it sounds like they're sick of having to tell him to go forward.

It's gotta be a mental block/yips. I don't think that DRob thinks he's Tyreek hill and so he's just trying to make plays. I think DRob knows his issue but he just can't control himself when he gets the ball. Might need some sports therapists to give him a visit.

Hammock Parties 09-12-2021 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15829500)
I think DRob knows his issue but he just can't control himself when he gets the ball. Might need some sports therapists to give him a visit.

He needs to read underwear catalogs before every snap like Rube Baker.

RealSNR 09-12-2021 11:15 PM

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3 catches for 19 yards isn’t going to cut it.

Sounds just like one of those games where Sammy Watkins barely got targeted.

They happened a lot, too. Sure, he'd go off in the playoffs or torch the Jaguars in Week 1, but then he'd play Denver or some other team and get 1 or 2 catches for like 20-30 yards. Just like Mecole did today.

Nothing wrong with that, either. Hill and Kelce are ****ing mammoths and they have to be fed. The 2nd WR just isn't going to get much, guys.

kjwood75nro 09-12-2021 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15829500)
Judging by how Toub talked about him in his presser, I think this is something EVERYBODY in the locker room and staff have been talking about. And it sounds like they're sick of having to tell him to go forward.



It's gotta be a mental block/yips. I don't think that DRob thinks he's Tyreek hill and so he's just trying to make plays. I think DRob knows his issue but he just can't control himself when he gets the ball. Might need some sports therapists to give him a visit.

Sports therapists. Right...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d1d298b831.gif

lcarus 09-12-2021 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15829497)
The guy we're probably looking at Mecole becoming is Az-Zahir Hakim.

He was never a guy who put up a lot of huge stats, but he was fairly effective in his role within that STL offense.

If we get that out of him I guess that's OK. Just sucks he isn't more.

It's especially a bitter pill to swallow when I watch Seahawks games and DK Metcalf is lighting it up.

flinchfree 09-13-2021 12:06 AM

Runs around like an elf in a Shakespearean play.
Zero physical presence. Tiny catch radius.
Blah.


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