Things we're late in doing: Showing EB the door and pretending our gimmick play calling doesn't need a running game to go with it. Also, get Skyy on the field and put Mecole back on PR duties. Andy just isn't in syn with this team right now. I know it's early but I'm starting to wonder if Andy is losing his touch in dealing with personelle.

Wow

I wasn't posting that the sky is falling, but that's kinda where everyone is at.

Just felt like these were 5 things it was time to change.

I don’t think people are there. We have way more realistic expectations vs last year.

We all know mahomes can and will improve. And I think most know Reid has the genius to work his way out of this. I’ve seen minimal complaints from our defense.

Most of what we see are big but very fixable things. But we are hurting ourselves if we don’t make the big changes we need. We likely need a WR and hopefully skyy moore can contribute sooner vs later. We need an option besides ceh to actually produce. And if bieniemy has any say in playcalling we need to take that away. If we don’t have the right WRs or RBs in the room it shouldn’t be hard to find one in the scrap pile. If our coaching can’t figure out these zones then bring in a special assistant who can help.

All very fixable problems but worst case scenario we are an excellent team with some challenges. I think the strong reaction from everyone is because these issues CAN be solved if we commit to them.

I'm not sure about that. We have reached the point where we have a lack of playmakers on offense. Mahomes can't do it all, especially with no protection..Our Tackles are terrible. I said 10-7 before the season, and I'm sticking to it. Going to be an up and down year. Deal is, we need to get Mahomes some playmakers, but OBJ is not going to work out and it's going to cost us to get a LT. But a new one is definitely needed.

On a positive note, the defense is much better.

It's because he has a skill set that should be useful here and one the chiefs can put to good use.

I still think he's a 3rd round caliber prospect but as I said earlier - we underestimate the ability to find quality WRs in the middle rounds. It happens every year.

My opinion is largely unchanged - he is a slot receiver who the Chiefs can get production out of because they're a smart organization who needs what he can provide. But he's not a premier prospect and he's not going to be a #1 wideout. If he's your best receiver at any point, your receivers suck.

I think we have plenty of support talent, but we just need a decent #1. I don’t think we need a tyreek hill, but we need at least a mid level WR1. I don’t think we need Derrick Henry but we need a guy who can be a legitimate mid level RB1 somewhere else. The bar is low enough that it shouldn’t be that hard to find.

Of course it would be nice to find studs at both positions. But if, for example, skyy and Pacheco can play to that level we can be ok. rB should not be hard to find on the waiver wire if not. And I’m intrigued by options like Corey Davis in a trade - not an elite guy, but definitely good enough to make the rest of our WRs better.

Here - from the pre-draft Moore thread (spoilered so everyone else doesn't have to wade through our bullshit)





This gets back to where I started - man, that's SUPER tepid 'criticism' of this kid. Saying I'd consider him a value play in the 3rd and a viable but not ideal pick in the late 2nd puts me like 15 spots off of where Veach had him valued. Afterall, Veach risked losing him outright for a 5th round pick. That's not someone he had a 1st round grade on and likely not someone he had a high 2nd on or he simply doesn't move for such a small return.

But as is your custom, you go WAY over the top when someone dares discuss one of 'your guys' in a less than glowing fashion. You wanna talk changing opinions - in that very thread YOU said you'd prefer Tolbert over him if they were both available at 62.

And now you're out here acting like you had this guy pegged for the HoF and I called him some piece of shit. Dude - you gotta stop doing that shit. Stop overplaying my position on guys. I didn't hammer this guy (apart from being aggressively anti-1st round pick on him). Nor did you scream about his greatness from the rafters.

Guys Hardman is banged up with a bum heel or something.

You might be right... I just remember not that long ago watching Hill, Watkins (when healthy), Kelce and Hunt, with Mahomes at QB. THAT was COOL! After Hunt was released, it did work with Damien, but the other skilled positions were stacked. Also had solid Tackles, which was huge. Now, we are a shell of that with the playmakers and Tackles.
My biggest concern is we go the Green Bay route, and that model does not work. I can't remember the last playmaker Veach drafted. IMO, it's a bit concerning. Like you said, maybe Skyy can be one. :shrug:

I said I'd take Tolbert becuase I really like Tolbert too. In that group that was available, I liked Pickens and Tolbert over him. That's it. I would've take Skyy over Watson, Pierce, etc. too. I even said that I suspect the Chiefs would like Moore over Tolbert, and I was absolutely fine with that. Those guys were very close for me after Pickens.

For crying out loud, I was literally defending the possibility of taking Moore in the 1st. Why would I do that with a guy that I don't really like? He wasn't a Chief at the time. This wasn't me just being a homer.

Come on DJ, I can see you're taking this way beyond what it's supposed to be. I'm not even sure how we ended up back here based on that reply to King that you quoted. I'm not telling you you're an idiot for your Moore takes. I just think you're wrong about his upside, and that's what I've been saying going back to that thread.

I compared the guy to Tyler Lockett, and I think you gave him a 5% chance of being that good. I think that's a good example of how far apart we are, because I think a Lockett is a 1B caliber player, and while I'd prefer to get our Metcalf, I don't think him being our #1 would necessarily mean that our WRs suck, although I can understand your point that. Preferably he's a 1B or WR2 for me down the line.

As for why I assumed your opinion has changed a bit, I don't see how you can compare the guy to Golden Tate, and also say there are guys like him in the 3rd round every year, and he's a WR3 at best. That seems like a contradiction.

And I never said my opinion on Skyy hasn't changed at all. I'm more confident than ever in my assessment that he has more upside than you give him credit for. What I saw in TC and the preseason only confirmed that for me. For instance, going back, I would definitely take him over Tolbert based on what I've seen from those 2.

At the end of the day, we all miss on guys. I'm not scared to be wrong, and I think you're taking friendly banter the wrong way. How's this any different from you and Pest with Williams?

I always respect your opinions, I just think you're wrong about Moore and I clearly have felt that way from the beginning. We don't have to agree on every player the Chiefs draft though. That's fine.

Now can we be friends again?

He took like 2 snaps.

You can’t remember the last playmaker he’s drafted because he’s never drafted a playmaker.

Or signed one . Or traded for one . But it has only been five years right . Cue the responses from the Brett Veach Ball Washing Association

Packers are a good "this is the worst case scenario" of an approach that entirely prioritises defence with a HOF QB. A cautionary tale. Everyone who clamoured for a million DEs in the draft and screamed blue murder at the possibility of drafting a WR high should bear this in mind. We need playmakers.