DL and DBs would be close. So if you're running close with Belicheck on those fronts, you're doing better than almost anybody else.

That's a double edged sword if I've ever seen one.

Yes, great situation, also absolutely insane expectations every single year.

And he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt that Pat or Andy get. He's always the guy people are going to turn to when things get bad. Just look at all the crying and moaning after week 1.

He also has to pick at the end of the 1st round every single year. He has an elite QB contract on the books to work around.

He walked into a great situation, yes, but he also doesn't get nearly as much credit as he deserves by many. This thread, where people are actually arguing that we'd be in the same exact position with guys like Belichick as our GM, is proof of that.

His drafts with offensive skill positions haven’t been great (so far)

His drafts with defensive skill positions have been pretty solid/good

His free agency/ trade moves have been pretty good

DL would be close?

LMAO

Not even remotely. Our DL is already better without Omenihu.

If Veach signed a DL like Judon for a hell of a steal of a contract at less than $20 million APY and he was putting up 28 sacks in 2 years, staylor would be the first one on his knees blowing Veach LMAO

JFC you are bringing up Judon in a discussion that's mostly about drafting like it some trump card for all the facts and reality I've thrown at you.

Yes, Judon was a nice get for Belichick in free agency. You act like I'm denying that he was.

Now do Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith, JuJu, etc.

Just look at how absolute trash this free agency period was despite spending $159 million:

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They also let the best G in the game walk while wasting all of this money/cap space.

The Judon deal was nice. Letting Thuney walk to KC paved the way for 2 KC SB titles, so thanks for that.

I'd say your argument is absurd.

Do you think that if Mahomes was drafted by the Bears he'd be torching the record books and winning 2 MVPs, 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVPs?

You may still think he'd have been a good or even great player, but he almost assuredly would not be doing as well or better than he has as a Chief. That is exactly my point here. Where you're drafted, who you're coached by, who you play with, CHANGES EVERYTHING. There are far too many variables.

Case in point: ****ING ALL OF THEM!

If you magically swapped Belichick and Veach in the summer of 2017, I'd be surprised if even a handful of these players were still drafted by Belichick here in KC. Everything would change.

Right, I don't think you can ever say anything confidently. We're set up quite well and even I wouldn't say I'm confident that we'll win another Super Bowl within the next 5 years. I am confident that we have a damned good shot at it, though. That's really what this is all about.

There's just too many variables each year. That's why BelichickGM was able to build a dynasty from 2001-2004, not win another Super Bowl for TEN YEARS, then build another dynasty from 2014-2018. In that ten year span, they weren't some garbage organization. They were right there, just couldn't get lucky enough to have the pieces fall in the way that gave them the dynasty.. BUT, with a HoF QB and a HoF HC, you should be close enough every year that things eventually fall your way sometimes.

I think that we'd be able to do just that with BelichickGM again, because he's already done it. For 20 years the dude did it in NE.

Do you think Belichick's always been a shit GM?

Also, Reid was the Eagles GM for like 10 years, dude. He went to four NFCCGs in that timeframe. You have a strange definition of "not great".

How do you figure that the Patriots were able to keep a rolling dynasty for 20 years with an overrated HC and terrible GM? Most of their coaches and execs who go elsewhere ruin the franchise who hires them. Most players they let walk underperform in their new home. Despite losing a HoF QB, they still remain competitive in a strong conference. How?

I mean, if you believe that then it sounds like you think they can attribute the vast majority of their success to Tom Brady? If so, what is so special about Tom Brady that he can achieve two different dynasties while you don't think the combination of Reid and Mahomes couldn't possibly build just one budding dynasty with BelichickGM here in KC?

So you're blaming Belichick's bad drafts and failures as a GM on Belichick the HC now?


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Belichick is a fantastic HC, but he's not getting the most out of these draft picks?

Yet another absurd ****ing argument.

Again, why do Veach's bad draft classes/picks still stick out like a sore thumb?

Oh I guess Breeland Speaks would've been EVEN worse in NE!

What a ****ing :o)

The mental gymnastics are just astounding at this point.

Man, this is just SO ****ing reeruned. You've gone completely off the rails here.

Now your argument is "any of the Belichick's busts could've been hits in KC!"

Absolutely insane ****ing take, and I don't even think you're this stupid. You just don't know when to take an L and admit you had a bad take. It's not just me either, plenty of others have popped in to let you know how ****ing bad it is.

"If you magically swapped Belichick and Veach...everything would change!"

Yea, all of a sudden, Belichick's drafts would stop being dog shit with even less picks than he had in NE, and picking later!

Uh, yeah, of course. Didn't you just agree with me on that earlier when you said Belichick is a great defensive mind but only serviceable on the offensive side? BelichickHC may be able to maximize many defender's potential, but I don't think he's able to do so as consistently on the offensive side, and certainly not with QBs like Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe at the helm.

Weird that you'd hyper focus on that little bit of it, though. There are positional coaches and coordinators with their hand in the pot as well, not to mention, again, the uber important QB position. I just don't think many offensive players are going to look great playing in NE with Mac Jones.


More like "none of the guys he drafted while he was in New England would have been drafted here" actually.

And I don't think a bust will suddenly become a hit here, but a below average starter might become serviceable or a average starter might become a plus starter.

Your argument is weird anyway.

You're saying that bringing all of BelichickGM's picks here would change our team enough to prevent us from forming a dynasty while claiming that my argument that surrounding players with completely different coaching and personnel might just change their individual performance is absurd.

Which is just a small example argument I've made anyway. I'm not hyper focused on bringing all of BelichickGM's picks here. You really think it would turn out exactly the same way lol

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