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The Franchise 10-17-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10093651)
huh? sex is never a waste of time.

I would rather have terrible sex than work.

I mean the actual time spent trying to get it. If you have a **** buddy that you is readily available....awesome. Having to spend money to go out on dates or hit on women at bars for a chance at it....is a ****ing waste of time.

HoneyBadger 10-17-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10093694)
I mean the actual time spent trying to get it. If you have a **** buddy that you is readily available....awesome. Having to spend money to go out on dates or hit on women at bars for a chance at it....is a ****ing waste of time.

Ok. Don't work at it, but all you'll score is 500lb hippos

tooge 10-17-2013 02:23 PM

I'm not reading this entire thread, but from the last few pages, here's the way to go:

Fish, hunt, golf, workout, watch football, drink with buddies, and jerk off whenever you want. Life will be great.

Dayze 10-17-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 10094211)
I'm not reading this entire thread, but from the last few pages, here's the way to go:

Fish, hunt, golf, workout, watch football, drink with buddies, and jerk off whenever you want. Life will be great.

LMAO
This is sound advice

Buck 10-17-2013 02:34 PM

There is sex that isn't worth it. When you can't finish because all you can think about is how unnattracted you are to your partner, the sex isn't worth it.

I also don't have the time to spend to score hotties, and I don't want any "500 lb whales," so I'm taking a break.

The Franchise 10-17-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger (Post 10094193)
Ok. Don't work at it, but all you'll score is 500lb hippos

I'm married. I'm not putting in any work anywhere.

Aspengc8 10-17-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10094287)
I'm married. I'm not putting in any work anywhere.

Since I got married, I found it funny how often I would get hit on when going out.

The Franchise 10-17-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 10094309)
Since I got married, I found it funny how often I would get hit on when going out.

It's called hell.

Discuss Thrower 10-17-2013 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10094322)
It's called hell.

So you're telling me if I start wearing a band I'll get more attention?

BigCatDaddy 10-17-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10094325)
So you're telling me if I start wearing a band I'll get more attention?

I think it runs deeper than that. It's like alll of a sudden you start giving off some phermone that attracts women. I think it happened to me once I got engaged. Crazy shit.

tooge 10-17-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10094325)
So you're telling me if I start wearing a band I'll get more attention?

what you get is lots of flirting because they assume you are harmless. They treat you the same as they would if they thought you were gay. You get lots more attention, but not serious attention. I mean do you want to be banging a gal that likes banging married men?

Discuss Thrower 10-17-2013 03:24 PM

I guess I've got a similar dynamic already.. the only ones who seem attracted to me are ones who are already with other dudes.

I already came across the now ex of the last girl I ****ed. He jokingly said I should take a run at her. That was Soap Opera Awkward right there.

Bowser 10-17-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10094333)
I think it runs deeper than that. It's like alll of a sudden you start giving off some phermone that attracts women. I think it happened to me once I got engaged. Crazy shit.

Long story short - they want what they can't have.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-17-2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 10094336)
what you get is lots of flirting because they assume you are harmless. They treat you the same as they would if they thought you were gay. You get lots more attention, but not serious attention. I mean do you want to be banging a gal that likes banging married men?

none of my business.

The Franchise 10-17-2013 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10094350)
Long story short - they want what they can't have.

This.

They now think that because someone wants you.....there has to be a reason. Lot's of money.....big feet....etc.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-17-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10094325)
So you're telling me if I start wearing a band I'll get more attention?

Confidence man.

Hammock Parties 10-17-2013 05:48 PM

Welp, met a pretty cool girl. Last week she insisted on buying me dinner.

Probably a keeper. So far, anyway. You know how these things go. But, two weeks in and feeling good about it. o:-)

Pasta Little Brioni 10-17-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10094711)
Welp, met a pretty cool girl. Last week she insisted on buying me dinner.

Probably a keeper. So far, anyway. You know how these things go. But, two weeks in and feeling good about it. o:-)

Good luck. It all changes quick though man.

Bowser 10-17-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10094711)
Welp, met a pretty cool girl. Last week she insisted on buying me dinner.

Probably a keeper. So far, anyway. You know how these things go. But, two weeks in and feeling good about it. o:-)

PIIHB*









*obligatory

ghak99 10-17-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10094350)
Long story short - they want what they can't have.

The forbidden fruit, it's wonderful. :thumb:

Having a close female friend who you're seen out on "dates" with can create the same effect. I'm all for anything that decreases the time it takes to go from "Hi" to "PIINewGirl'sB".

Cephalic Trauma 10-17-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10094711)
Welp, met a pretty cool girl. Last week she insisted on buying me dinner.

Probably a keeper. So far, anyway. You know how these things go. But, two weeks in and feeling good about it. o:-)

Don't worry, the weird will come out of one of you. Right now is the facade stage. But any girl that likes you has to have a weird side. :D

Hammock Parties 10-17-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10095027)
Don't worry, the weird will come out of one of you. Right now is the facade stage. But you, or any girl that likes you, has to have a weird side. :D

Definitely. That's why we click, so far.

I don't try to fake who I am. As soon as a girl comes over, she sees a framed ink caricature of Mr. Spock hanging on the wall. Everything hinges on that moment. Right then, she's in, or she's out, I figure. I'm not taking that down.

Titty Meat 10-17-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10094711)
Welp, met a pretty cool girl. Last week she insisted on buying me dinner.

Probably a keeper. So far, anyway. You know how these things go. But, two weeks in and feeling good about it. o:-)

Sounds like she felt sorry for you

Hammock Parties 10-17-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10095069)
Sounds like she felt sorry for you

Doubt it. She likes me.

KCGal 10-17-2013 09:13 PM

Question for you all-in kC area - is match.com considered a "hookup" site? I am in such a slump and am just not meeting single men in my day to day activities. I was thinking about trying it but I'm definitely not a one night stand kind of girl so I don't want to put myself out there for that if that makes sense b

Hammock Parties 10-17-2013 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095273)
Question for you all-in kC area - is match.com considered a "hookup" site?

It's mostly girls who want real relationships.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-17-2013 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095273)
Question for you all-in kC area - is match.com considered a "hookup" site? I am in such a slump and am just not meeting single men in my day to day activities. I was thinking about trying it but I'm definitely not a one night stand kind of girl so I don't want to put myself out there for that if that makes sense b

Have you met billay?

Titty Meat 10-17-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10095320)
Have you met billay?

I would never spend money on a dating site. Every women om a dating site is flawed haven't we covered this?

KCGal 10-17-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10095294)
It's mostly girls who want real relationships.

Thanks! I have to get the courage up to try it. Meeting a total stranger just scares the hell out of me. My habit of reading chiefsplanet doesn't help. :)

Cephalic Trauma 10-17-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10095038)
Definitely. That's why we click, so far.

I don't try to fake who I am. As soon as a girl comes over, she sees a framed ink caricature of Mr. Spock hanging on the wall. Everything hinges on that moment. Right then, she's in, or she's out, I figure. I'm not taking that down.

ROFL

Good for you, man.

ThaVirus 10-17-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10095330)
Every woman is flawed haven't we covered this?

FYP.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-17-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10095330)
I would never spend money on a dating site. Every women om a dating site is 20 lbs. heavier in person haven't we covered this?

I meant for this to be your meeting ground. Send her a nice rep.

Oh, and FYP

KCGal 10-17-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10095330)
I would never spend money on a dating site. Every women om a dating site is flawed haven't we covered this?

What about the men on dating sites?

Pasta Little Brioni 10-17-2013 09:36 PM

:D

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095349)
What about the men on dating sites?

Read up on Clay's board history :D

Titty Meat 10-17-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095349)
What about the men on dating sites?

Ask clay I think he and hootie hooked up off one.

Buck 10-17-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095273)
Question for you all-in kC area - is match.com considered a "hookup" site? I am in such a slump and am just not meeting single men in my day to day activities. I was thinking about trying it but I'm definitely not a one night stand kind of girl so I don't want to put myself out there for that if that makes sense b

Greetings my lady. *tips fedora*

Don't listen to the other douches in this thread. You are as precious as they come. Any man would be lucky to have you. Now go, break some hearts.

Buck 10-17-2013 10:25 PM

But for real if you're fat don't take deceiving angled pics.

Discuss Thrower 10-17-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095349)
What about the men on dating sites?

Wannabe pickup artists, guys that want to cheat on their significant other, normal guys who don't have time to go out to bars and such and shy/socially awkward guys who lack self confidence.


En. Joy.

AndChiefs 10-17-2013 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095331)
Thanks! I have to get the courage up to try it. Meeting a total stranger just scares the hell out of me. My habit of reading chiefsplanet doesn't help. :)

I'm sure there's some winners. Just like at the bar I'm sure there's also a bunch of crap. As a women you probably get your pick though.

KCGal 10-17-2013 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10095505)
But for real if you're fat don't take deceiving angled pics.

Damn now i got to delete all those selfies I just took.

Eureka 10-17-2013 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 10094811)
The forbidden fruit, it's wonderful. :thumb:

Having a close female friend who you're seen out on "dates" with can create the same effect. I'm all for anything that decreases the time it takes to go from "Hi" to "PIINewGirl'sB".

Good advice here guys!

I sometimes go out w my lil Sis & her friends or my cousins group. Most of them are HOT but are off limits for me and they feel comfortable to just kick it because they feel "safe from getting hit on". It just sets me up with a great springboard to talk to other chicks.

Having a few females as friends can be a good thing.

Buck 10-17-2013 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095541)
Damn now i got to delete all those selfies I just took.

Just pm them to me and CC Bob Dole

Pasta Little Brioni 10-18-2013 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10095505)
But for real if you're fat don't take deceiving angled pics.

Definitely this!!!! Also putting average whilst doing so is lame as hell too.

Canofbier 10-18-2013 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10095331)
Thanks! I have to get the courage up to try it. Meeting a total stranger just scares the hell out of me. My habit of reading chiefsplanet doesn't help. :)

I had a Match membership for a few months, and I can say that if you're even a remotely good-looking woman, you're going to be bombarded by prospective suitors. Whereas men on those sites have to send out several messages in order to hear back once or twice (I did, at least), women tend to get a ****ton of unsolicited messages that they can pick between. You could go on five dates a week through that site, if you actually wanted to.

Long story short: online dating is awesome for women. Give it a try.

MahiMike 10-18-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10095330)
I would never spend money on a dating site. Every women om a dating site is flawed haven't we covered this?

Maybe. But sales is all about volume and weeding out the prospects from the suspects. I meet pretty girls that just go to the same lame bar every week hoping someone decent walks in. That's not good enough. You either need to go to 1,000 more bars or get on the web.

Cephalic Trauma 10-18-2013 08:46 AM

Really hoping to bang it out with some bitch tonight.

/Bo's Redheadini

The Franchise 10-18-2013 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10095330)
I would never spend money on a dating site. Every women om a dating site is flawed haven't we covered this?

Every woman is flawed. Once you figure that out.....you'll do ok.

Titty Meat 10-18-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 10096054)
Maybe. But sales is all about volume and weeding out the prospects from the suspects. I meet pretty girls that just go to the same lame bar every week hoping someone decent walks in. That's not good enough. You either need to go to 1,000 more bars or get on the web.

Its like my friend said who's an average looking gal said "I can't even go out and pump gas without a guy hitting on me." Seriously girls can go out and meet just about any guy they want why bother meeting some unknown online?

Discuss Thrower 10-18-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10096438)
Its like my friend said who's an average looking gal said "I can't even go out and pump gas without a guy hitting on me." Seriously girls can go out and meet just about any guy they want why bother meeting some unknown online?

THIS.

HoneyBadger 10-18-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10096438)
Its like my friend said who's an average looking gal said "I can't even go out and pump gas without a guy hitting on me." Seriously girls can go out and meet just about any guy they want why bother meeting some unknown online?

Yeah, average girls. Attractive girls actually get hit on less.

Buck 10-18-2013 03:18 PM

Who has hooked up with someone in their apartment complex before?

keg in kc 10-18-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10096895)
Who has hooked up with someone in their apartment complex before?

I married a girl from next door in my complex. We all know how that turned out. Lmao

(The only risk with a neighbor is that things can progress too fast or in ways you don't want because of the convenience and it can get really uncomfortable later if things get weird. But that's life...)

ghak99 10-18-2013 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10096895)
Who has hooked up with someone in their apartment complex before?

Be prepared to move.

Hammock Parties 10-19-2013 08:40 AM

Outstanding night. Just phenomenal. Two solid weeks.

KCGal 10-25-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 10096054)
Maybe. But sales is all about volume and weeding out the prospects from the suspects. I meet pretty girls that just go to the same lame bar every week hoping someone decent walks in. That's not good enough. You either need to go to 1,000 more bars or get on the web.

So this past week I joined match. Men check me out, but they don't ask me out. And there are some guys on there that seem like nice guys and I'm like how would I meet them in my daily life? I wouldn't. So I said screw it and joined. I think most men are playing the numbers game Because it is insane the number of messages you get as a woman on that site.

Hammock Parties 10-25-2013 09:55 AM

3 weeks in. I guess I didn't **** this one up.

AndChiefs 10-25-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10122607)
So this past week I joined match. Men check me out, but they don't ask me out. And there are some guys on there that seem like nice guys and I'm like how would I meet them in my daily life? I wouldn't. So I said screw it and joined. I think most men are playing the numbers game Because it is insane the number of messages you get as a woman on that site.

How you doin'? :D

Hammock Parties 10-25-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10122607)
So this past week I joined match. Men check me out, but they don't ask me out. And there are some guys on there that seem like nice guys and I'm like how would I meet them in my daily life? I wouldn't. So I said screw it and joined. I think most men are playing the numbers game Because it is insane the number of messages you get as a woman on that site.

Pics of you? Pics of the men who ask you out?

BigCatDaddy 10-25-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10122620)
Pics of you? Pics of the men who ask you out?

Yeah, link to your profile? :D

Dayze 10-25-2013 11:41 AM

the only time I had a smokin' chick hit on me was when I was 2 days before I was coming home from the Navy. She was a Bud Light girl at a local bar. She was also one of those barrel racing chicks that ride horses. She was probably close to 6'; rocking body/figure (actually had curves in the right places), blonde etc.

She asked me for her number, so I obliged; and was shocked.
She called me the next night and wanted to go out the following day.....which was the day I was leaving. :banghead:

naturally. God hates me, is what it is.

KCGal 10-25-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10122620)
Pics of you? Pics of the men who ask you out?

I have been on for a few days and I have over 200 emails, winks, and "he's interested". Most of these are men I prob wouldn't be interested in. A good chunk are men in their late 40s or 50s (I am in my 30s). They send super funny messages like "you have soulful eyes". Then there are a handful I would be interested in. I have tried to pick a couple to focus on and email with. My plan is to just leave my profile out there for a couple weeks and see who comes to me. Then I will go through and maybe started "liking" guys I think are interested who haven't checked me out. It is the funniest damned thing -I'm telling you in real life men don't ask me out.

Discuss Thrower 10-25-2013 11:50 AM

I got rejected on a date invite by a more than curvy chick. That felt wonderful

Buck 10-25-2013 11:52 AM

I'm breaking up with my whatever she is this weekend. I feel nervous.

Dayze 10-25-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10122858)
I'm breaking up with my whatever she is this weekend. I feel nervous.

just say "I 99 problems, and you're one"

Buck 10-25-2013 12:02 PM

I feel horrible actually. I like her just not in that way anymore. She adores me.

The Franchise 10-25-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10122869)
I feel horrible actually. I like her just not in that way anymore. She adores me.

I did that shit twice before I got married. It was tough....but it's a lot better than just stringing her along. I should have waited on one though because it was around Christmas and after I broke up with her....she mentioned that she had bought me a Joe Montana jersey. Damnt....

The Franchise 10-25-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10122850)
I have been on for a few days and I have over 200 emails, winks, and "he's interested". Most of these are men I prob wouldn't be interested in. A good chunk are men in their late 40s or 50s (I am in my 30s). They send super funny messages like "you have soulful eyes". Then there are a handful I would be interested in. I have tried to pick a couple to focus on and email with. My plan is to just leave my profile out there for a couple weeks and see who comes to me. Then I will go through and maybe started "liking" guys I think are interested who haven't checked me out. It is the funniest damned thing -I'm telling you in real life men don't ask me out.

In real life men don't ask you out because why? Do you come off as unapproachable? Do you send out the vibe that you want to be approached?

KCUnited 10-25-2013 12:20 PM

It's a lot harder to ask a woman out in real life when your wife is sitting right there. It's much easier after she's gone to bed and you're "staying up to watch the rest of the game."

The Franchise 10-25-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 10122902)
It's a lot harder to ask a woman out in real life when your wife is sitting right there. It's much easier after she's gone to bed and you're "staying up to watch the rest of the game."

Truer words were never spoken.

AndChiefs 10-25-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10122892)
I did that shit twice before I got married. It was tough....but it's a lot better than just stringing her along. I should have waited on one though because it was around Christmas and after I broke up with her....she mentioned that she had bought me a Joe Montana jersey. Damnt....

Yes but would she have expected significant gifts from you? Gotta watch out for those holiday traps.

Buck 10-25-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10122892)
I did that shit twice before I got married. It was tough....but it's a lot better than just stringing her along. I should have waited on one though because it was around Christmas and after I broke up with her....she mentioned that she had bought me a Joe Montana jersey. Damnt....

Yeah she is already expecting to spend Thanksgiving with me.

KCGal 10-25-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 10122902)
It's a lot harder to ask a woman out in real life when your wife is sitting right there. It's much easier after she's gone to bed and you're "staying up to watch the rest of the game."

Oh my goodness I have no doubt you are right about this!!

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2013 03:28 PM

I have read on average a guy has to send 20 messages to get 1 reply. Makes sense when you realize just how many they receive.

Discuss Thrower 10-25-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10123323)
I have read on average a guy has to send 20 messages to get 1 reply. Makes sense when you realize just how many they receive.

Then you realize there aren't 19 women worth messaging in order to receive a reply on the 20th.

I'd rather be forever alone then waste my time trying to talk up chubsters, baby mommas and nutjobs.

Bowser 10-25-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10123323)
I have read on average a guy has to send 20 messages to get 1 reply. Makes sense when you realize just how many they receive.

20 messages to one chick would get you blocked, if not the cops called. I'm assuming.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10123332)
Then you realize there aren't 19 women worth messaging in order to receive a reply on the 20th.

I'd rather be forever alone then waste my time trying to talk up chubsters, baby mommas and nutjobs.

It is way too time consuming. Plus it is sad as **** when you finally get b to the meet and you aren't into her at all. Even the average, nerdy ones are tough to land ROFL Girls you would land for sure in person.

KCGal 10-25-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10122893)
In real life men don't ask you out because why? Do you come off as unapproachable? Do you send out the vibe that you want to be approached?


just dont meet single men in my social circles. While i am a very friendly person, I am not one to strike up a conversation with a random guy at the gas station. I am no doubt shy when it comes to men and I'm trying to work on that.

Anyways I think I have a date lined up for the weekend so that is a major accomplishment.

KCGal 10-25-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10123323)
I have read on average a guy has to send 20 messages to get 1 reply. Makes sense when you realize just how many they receive.

That was kind of what I'm trying to say - it is insane the # of messages you get and I'm in my 30s so I'm not a young pup. Definitely men are focused on sending as many messages as possible.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123347)
That was kind of what I'm trying to say - it is insane the # of messages you get and I'm in my 30s so I'm not a young pup. Definitely men are focused on sending as many messages as possible.

Yeah, you have to. Too much competition. A lot of weirdos too though, so being a nice, normal guy can get some meets. Unfortunately the prize is not always as advertised.

KCGal 10-25-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10123352)
Yeah, you have to. Too much competition. A lot of weirdos too though, so being a nice, normal guy can get some meets. Unfortunately the prize is not always as advertised.

I know, I definitely don't want to meet someone and them be disappointed. I put up one pic of me that is super pretty (I can be very photogenic) and then some other ones that are good but not amazing. I made one of my guy friends go through and help me so that I didn't just pick super flattering pics. I'm not trying to trick anyone.


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