Probably have to convince him to play 3rd again on a winning team in order to make it fit.

I've seen rumors, and that's what I agree that they are, that the Dodgers want to move Seager away from SS because of his size. Not sure if Manny would stay if he was guaranteed that SS spot. Keep Turner at 3rd, Manny at SS and move Seager to 2nd.

What would you do with Muncy, though. Would be a tough sell taking him off the field for Turner given their respective production this year.

1st base where he's started some games already. It moves Chris Taylor into a depth role.

1B - Muncy
2B - Seager
SS - Machado
3B - Turner
LF - Kemp
CF - Bellinger
RF - Puig

Bellinger in CF is a really big stretch.

I look at that lineup and see the same issues that plague the Cubs when they set records for getting shutout while still scoring a ton of runs.

If the Dodgers do end up signing Machado it's going to be one expensive ass offseason, because they are gonna have to re-sign Kershaw too.

I don't really see it happening.

may have to spend some luxury tax monies, but lack of money is not an issue with the Dodgers. Very doable.

CHICAGO • One of the conversations interim manager Mike Shildt intended to have Wednesday, on the eve of his first full series and first visit to Wrigley Field in his new role, was with his coaches about how they would fill the vacancy left by his promotion.

He and the front office had an idea for the role of bench coach.

Turns out, they also had a person in mind.

The Cardinals promoted longtime coach Ron "Pop" Warner to the role of bench coach. The team made the announcement Thursday afternoon as it readied for the opener of a five-game, four-day series against the first-place Cubs. Warner and new hitting coaches Mark Budasks and George Greer are expected to be with the team Thursday night. It will be the first time Shildt has his complete coaching staff in place.

Fundamental baseball still proving to be an issue for the Cardinals.

Pham picked off first with less than 2 outs and the pitcher at the plate because he's thinking first move I'm going to 2nd.

Later he lets Heyward advance to 2nd on a flyball that was caught probably 20 feet in front of the track in dead center and practically rolls it back into the infield after he realized Heyward was running to 2nd.

DeJong throwing to first when he had no chance of throwing out the runner and he throws it away.

Hey guys if the Yankees win 100 games and lose the division baseball should change the rules for the wild card game. ESPN doesn’t even try and hide their bias anymore.

If it happens to some crappy fly over state who cares right?

Not sure what the proposition was, but they should definitely just reduce the number of games in the regular season by a week or 2 and make it a 3 game series.

I hope the Yankees get killed by someone like the Mariners in that 1 game playoff game just to listen to ESPN have a meltdown. That would make up for this crappy Cardinals team.

you think a new manager would make the players better defensively after 1 game?

Pham’s play is all on him. Your sacrificing. WTF are you doing getting picked off 1B? Combine that with being lazy and non-chalant as the game slips away should get him a spot on the bench tomorrow to send a message that lackadaisical play will no longer be tolerated.

It's not on the manager. These aren't new found situations the Cardinals players find themselves in. They've been taught this shit since little league.

Why wasn’t Bowman fired along with Matheny? They could go on a church mission together.

Come from behind win? It was the 5th inning you reeruns.

Team A scores 1 run in top of the 1st
Team B scores 2 runs in bottom of 1st

ESPN logic = what a miraculous comeback.

DFA Fowler, send Bowman to Palm Beach.

F that. Make him the bat boy.

**** that Cub ****. Get him away from everyone. He's AIDS.

Hopefully a five game sweep and that turd Mo gets the boot too

So the team still isn't worth watching? Haven't watched a game since they got swept by ATL.

Same terrible errors and mental mistakes...

Overall, it was a good first game.

2nd game not so much. It's way too high of a bar to expect any person to immediately fix the mental errors, base running blunders and lackadaisical play. How was he supposed to fix Pham's BS plays from last night with one game of managing?

They have played this way for 2.5 years. There is not a chance in hell that he's not better than Matheny. A fencepost would be better.

Who here thought that Dewitt would pull the trigger on firing Matheny in mid-season? Now we have a chance to see what effect Schildt has on the team by the end of the season. No idea if he is the real deal. We will find out. If not, we have not fallen so far that we cant land a top manager in the off season.

I'm not blaming him. Blame the GM that built this.

I went around pissed off about Matheny for years. I dont have the same level of hate for Mo. Mo aint going nowhere. Thats just the fact. If the next manager fails, then he's out.

I hope the next manager doesn't fail. I'm tired of watching my team play crappy baseball. That means Mo stays.

Building a roster counting on a guy like Pham (that should be a platoon guy) in the TWO spot is a disaster...and I said this before the season. Nice bullpen too...:rolleyes:

Mo has not taken the idea of trading Carlos Martinez off the table. What are your thoughts? Would you package Carlos and include Fowler for salary relief in a deal?

reading all the rumors that the Yankees love him. If we can get Torres+ some other low level prospects with high upsides, how do you not consider that deal?

Yanks aren't giving up Torres for Martinez

I don't think the Yankees are going to give up Torres for anyone (probably not Sheffield either). If they do, yes I think you make the trade.

Why on earth would you include Fowler in a deal with Carlos Martinez?

Carlos is the best thing the Cardinals have to offer and you would kill the return you got for him by throwing in a guy with a .556 OPS making $16.5M for the next 3 years plus whatever he has left this year. To lessen the sting on the return the Cards would probably have to eat damn near all of that contract.

About the best you could do with Fowler is look for another teams garbage and make a Gyorko/Kemp type trade and hope for the best.

EDIT: Forgot the Cardinals gave Fowler a full NTC so you'll probably just have to release him.

I doubt the Yankees would offer Torres up for deGrom let alone Martinez.

Martinez is slowly making his way to a passable 2/good #3 pitcher. You probably wont get any highly rated MLB level prospects in a deal for him.

Probably look at what the Cubs gave up for Quintana. Quintana would probably be on the high side because it was a crosstown trade and the Cubs reportedly blew everyone else out of the water. But I hated that trade the second it was announced because I look at Quintana like I look at Martinez, not worth the acquisition cost.

Lester certsintly didn’t his best stuff today. You could have made a case he was the best NL pitcher in the first half.

that was kind of my point. If Torres is on the table you make that deal. We need at least 2 more “Torres” level position players to realistically compete and win playoff series.

JD consistently undervalues what pitiful talent we do have on the team. All these Yankees interested in him rumors are not just from blogs/fans. Rosenthal, Onley etc say the Yankees are interested. Although I’ve not heard Torres in the deal from reputable sources.

Martinez lacks focus not stuff or talent. When he is focused he is the neighborhood of “as good” a pitcher as anyone. We have seen him walk the bases loaded and then strikeout the side.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak conceded Thursday that the team could look to trade Jose Martinez to an American League club "at some point."

Interim manager Mike Shildt has had Martinez on the bench in both of his lineups so far, as he's preferred to go with the better defensive alignment with Matt Carpenter at first base and Jedd Gyorko at third. Martinez is sporting a nifty .299/.365/.478 batting line with 13 home runs and 56 RBI this season, but his defensive shortcomings make him a better fit as a designated hitter. He'll turn 30 next week but still won't be arbitration-eligible this winter, so there should be plenty of interest. Martinez's fantasy outlook appears cloudy should he remain in St. Louis.

How do I undervalue your talent?

You overvalue it.

Look at the career numbers of Martinez and Quintana and then look at when you are talking about trading Martinez vs when Quintana was traded. It's practically an identical situation. Now take into account that Quintana is a lefty, pitched in the AL, and the trade was a crosstown deal.

You could probably look to get one top 20ish guy, another fringe top 100 guy, and a couple mid tier guys with a peak potential of back end rotation/complimentary position player. You are out of your mind if you are thinking Martinez is bringing back a Torres. He's not a Madison Bumgarner level pitcher.

Should have taken Lester out after the leadoff double, not wait til the bases are loaded following 2 walks.

Now would be a good time to be talking to teams about Matt Carpenter.

Cards going in dry on the Cubs.

Matt Carpenter is 5-5 with 3 HR’s and 2 doubles . . . . . . . . . . . in the 6th inning!


Crazy.

Interesting that Flaherty is still out there in a 15-1 game when he's already the pitcher of record.

Nevermind, Gameday a little behind.

You could not.

I believe BRC forgot the Mets were a NL team.

And that Max Scherzer could pick pieces of Jon Lester out of his shit.

deGrom's reaction...

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...8&h=410&crop=1

I would agree that Scherzer is a better pitcher, but he's going to have to be a bit more successful in the playoffs before he could lay claim to shitting out Lester.

no argument from me. Every poster in this thread was adamant we should sign Scherzer that off season. He made it clear that he wanted to come home. Still pisses me off. :shake:

Carp doesn’t have a no trade clause. I love Carp but it’s in the best interests of the Cardinals to see what we could get for him and Carlos. The Cards never sell high. It’s time to do that and get ready for 2019.

Mikolas and J Martinez are found money. Trade for the best haul you can get. Surely there is an American League team that can use a starter and a bat?

He would actually fit in nicely on the Yankees. Don’t know if they’re interested or not, but a phone call wouldn’t hurt.

They have a great farm system to trade with to . . . . .

Want to know why most people consider Flaherty a keeper? Example A.

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Cubs reportedly in on Familia, along with the A's and he didn't even warm up for the Mets in their 7-5 win over the Yankees. Interesting.

Given that Hand with 3+ years of control and Cimber with 5+ years of control went for 1 guy in the top 20 with questions about remaining as a catcher, I can't imagine guys like Familia or Britton are going to cost as much as rentals of years past.

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Guess we know why Joe West still has a job.

****:

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So Weaver back up?

Weaver is already starting game 1 of todays double header which starts in 15 mins.

Thank god Ozuna is swinging at garbage.

I would challenge Chatwood to throw 9 strikes before 16 balls. He's ****ing terrible.

Easiest outfield assist of Ozuna's life.

Already a short pop out and then the wind made it about 100 feet shorter and Baez still runs and gets thrown out by a dog shit throw.

He hasn’t been right since he came off the DL. Some kind of BS “injury” to give him a break or not, he needed a break. We are not doing shit this year. No matter if Shildt is the real deal or not. We don’t have the talent and too far behind and too many teams in front.

Sell at the trade deadline and start preparing for 2019.

Baez has always been a moron, which is why the Cubs should consider moving him in the offseason, because although they can afford the arb increases, this is his career year. It's hard to maintain consistent offensive success with a 7:1 K-BB ratio. Plus, his expected hitting stats (xBA, xSLG, xwOBA) forecast negative regression.

I don't know if this is BS given his velo drop since coming back. No one can **** up health management like the Cardinals medical staff, though.

man he was almost in the infield when he caught that ball.

Well, you've always talked out of your ass when talking about Baez.

He's hardly a moron. He's one of the most instinctual players you'll ever see. The only thing keeping him from being a top 10 player in MLB is his unwillingness to take a walk. Tyler Chatwood wouldnt even be able to walk Baez.

See, now you're going to make me have to make an ass out of you:

Baez has been a space cadet from day one...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=2323


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=2357


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Now, regarding me talking out of my ass on Baez...

Every single one of those comments are from the WS and his struggles at the plate, save for 2 when he made a lazy throw to first, which go hand in hand with what I've just said.

You've said in the past that Baez wouldn't be able to stick at shortstop because he has a weak arm. He's been clocked by stat cast making a 94 MPH throw to home plate to throw someone out... what a ****ing noodle.

Now you are calling him an idiot when there isn't a single person in MLB that would even suggest it.

Baez is a showman and he wants to make something happen every time he's at the plate. That is the only thing holding him back.

No, many of them were from the 2015 LDS, so quit lying.

And please provide me proof of me impugning his throwing arm.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...e#post11486285

There ya go bud.

Average arm, yet hes got one of the best arms in the game. Stick to what you know.

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Familia just set the price for Britton. No clue who those prospects are.

Alright, I'll cop to being wrong about his arm. Now can you do the same to him being a clod given you ranted about him over two straight postseasons?

I've ranted about his approach at the plate and I wont stop until he changes.

He made one lazy throw and I called him out. He stepped in front of Rizzo on a pop up and took the ball out of his glove in the playoffs and I called him out. Those plays do not define him as a player.

The rest of them do. I was calling for his benching in the WS because he was actually embarrassing at the plate. And I still wouldn't trust him at the plate in a high leverage situation, like another WS, because he always wants to make something happen and a walk to him is practically an insult so he's going to expand the zone to Africa and swing at every single one of Kluber's sliders 2 feet off the plate.

He is FAR from a moron. Every part of his game is well above average minus his plate discipline.

Same thing happened yesterday.

5-1 game, bases loaded, 1 out, Baez at the plate. He see's 4 pitches and swings at 3 of them when none were within a foot of the strike zone... strikeout.

If someone ever gets to him and teaches him how to be a more disciplined hitter he would be a ****ing scary player, easily the best player on the Cubs.

Shildt doing the Cubs a solid after Gant went 5 or w/e innings without a strikeout or walk and the Cubs didn't score by letting Holland load the bases and then walk in the tying run.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instan...ot-you-fam.jpg

ROFL

Matt Carpenter doesnt start and misses what would have been his first 3 AB's and then gets into the game and hits a HR in his first AB.

Bench him for Martinez when he's this hot...

Carp has to be working his way into the NL MVP conversation.

we should trade him. This hot why wouldn’t we get some contenders top prospect? We are going nowhere this year. Sell high.

And just as a reminder, Fowler still ain’t doing shit.

I agree.. its just sad to see him impersonating Albert Pujols when it doesn't mean anything.

Neither team wants to win this game.

Just a matter of which team wants the other to win more.

No more getting thrown out of games, Maddon.

Hyde can't manage a game the Cardinals tried to throw and he threw it right back.

Cards sure look like they want to win at the moment....

Hard not to when you get back to back walks to start the inning.

This whole series has been a bunch of lets wait til my pitcher gets into a really tough spot to make a move from both teams.