<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CC: Brett Veach<br><br>Talked to Teven Jenkins.<br><br>He said KC &gt; Texas BBQ and he likes playing on the right side.<br><br>Just sayin&#39;</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1366488347343020040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Love it, but I don’t think he makes it to 31, and if we draft him it would likely be to play LT (unless they like Niang there).

Dude is apparently drawing interest from a LOT of teams, gotta wonder if he'll be there for us at 31

What would it take to get from 31 to around 20? A 2nd round pick next year?

Chargers moved from 37 to 23 for a 3rd round pick last year.
49ers went from 31 to 25 for a 4th and 7th.

In 2019....the Packers traded from 30 to 21 for two 4th round picks.

So I think if they want to get Jenkins, they’d be able to trade up for him.

If Veach and co really like him I wouldn't complain, lock down one of the tackle spots for the next ten years

I’m al for it, but like Nate Taylor mentioned on the Time Is Yours podcast, a lot of the people picking ahead of us will be looking for a T as well. Finding a trade partner could be difficult, but it’s definitely a possibility.

My one addendum to your good post.

Yeah, I think we’d need to get up into the 18-20 range to grab one if we want one.

Unless the 12th rated tackle is a better player than the 3rd rated DE. Which, obviously 1) that won't happen and 2) 11 tackles aren't going in the first 30 picks. It's just a hypothetical.

All I am saying is, a lot of the talk here has shifted since Veach said he is "hopeful" that both guys are back for training camp. That just seems like really wishful thinking. Hoping it doesn't flood and preparing for it are different things.

My dream scenario is signing Linsley, drafting IOL in the 4th-6th, and using one of our first two picks on a tackle who can kick inside to guard if/when Fisher and Schwartz both come back. But I don't think it's safe to bet they both will.

What the **** do you do on the offensive line if you trade up for him?

Do you say **** Schwartz and start Jenkins at RT? Do you put him at LT if Fisher isn’t ready? What do you do with Niang?

Make him and Niang compete for LT, whoever loses slides to RT and hopefully gives us 10 year bookends

Are they backups if Fisher and Schwartz are able to play this year? Trading up for a backup RT isn’t going to sit well.

Yea it’s a tough situation.

Honestly, I think they’re better off getting a DE in the 1st then taking Hudson, Little, or Smith on day 2.

yeah I don't see it.

I think it's much more likely that we nab someone like Walker Little in the second or trade up in the third. He's got top flight potential but likely will need a year to be ready.

Then next year you could have two young bookend tackles ready to roll.

The more I think about it, I think the Chiefs best case scenario is this:

- Sign a tier 2 WR in free agency
- Sign a couple veterans on the OL (T & C/G)
- Draft a DE in round 1 (or after trade down)
- All OL on day 2

Totally agree.

Even better, I like trading down into the 40 range and picking up a third.

Around there, Phillips, Oweh, Perkins, Weaver, etc. are all around every time I run a mock.

Tough question, but between age and injuries my gut says neither Eric nor Mitchell are long for this team anyway... so lets get ahead of the game and be ready for the future

I know what I'd do, but you won't like it.

This sounds great.

I think that's a good plan.

I especially like Little; and I think Veach may see him as another Niang situation. First round talent, missed a season to an injury and then 2020 opt out.

You could argue that you're getting two first round OT talents in later rounds if you're patient.

Both could be ten year quality starters.

That’s where I’m leaning as well.

I don't think that's even possible without either trading up or using high draft picks on offensive lineman because how many 5th, 6th or 7th rounders actually become 10 year left and right tackles?

And what if the Chiefs trade up to draft a guy in the 1st round, only to see Fisher and/or Schwartz return to form? Then what? They will have completely wasted a 1st round pick (at minimum) on a guy that's going to sit for 2 or 3 years?

The Chiefs have multiple needs and whomever they draft in rounds 1-3 needs to be ready to play and start Week 1. Waiting around for guys to "develop" or play is a massive waste of very important and unreplaceable resources.

The Chiefs can't afford another Dee Ford repeat, where the guy can't even contribute until Year 3 or 4, at least if they want to extend their Championship Window.

Agree, but it depends who's there and who they could potentially get if they are able to move around. Still, I always prefer to fill as many holes in free agency before the draft so that you don't have to reach to fill needs.

I think the WR market is going to be interesting. There are a ton of FA's and I don't think any of them are going to get paid what they are worth. Maybe Allen Robinson, but I just can't see teams with the cap situation giving a Corey Davis or Curtis Samuel huge contracts.

If anything, the current cap situation means bunch of these guys are going to take one year deals in hopes there is more money to spend next offseason. That's where the Chiefs could really benefit.

Yes. If they can trade down, I'd be all over that. Plus I'd have to think someone might want to draft a QB and have the five year contract. In this draft I wouldn't be surprised if one fell

You aren’t getting 3 starters in the first 3 rounds.

That’s just incredibly unlikely.

You obviously hope to get a contributor in round 1, but outside of that those are unrealistic expectations when you’re picking at the end of rounds 2 and 3. That doesn’t mean it can’t/won’t happen, but it is what it is. Sure, ideally the Chiefs can at least get a C on day 2 that’s a day 1 starter, but there’s are no guarantees that one makes it to us.

It’s not about finding day 1 starters. It’s about hitting on those picks long term. This teams SB window doesn’t hinge on finding day 1 starters on day 2 of the draft. That’s just silly.

This team already has 2 “RS freshmen” that should contribute next year in Niang and Gay. Sneed should also take a big step forward next year. Guys like Danna and Wharton can as well.

Exactly.

Completely agree that its a dicey, touchy situation full of what ifs

Clearly there are no guarantees with any scenario, but it definitely wouldn't upset me to see us grab a young, blue chip bodyguard for #15... the only sure thing is its gonna be a super interesting draft, can't wait to see how Veach plays it

Literally NOBODY has said "we don't need a tackle". Nobody.

As for the Chiefs "going tackle early" don't get your hopes up.

Ughhhh i think im almost ready to rejoin the ranks of sports entertainment.

I've completely shut out all sports media aside from CP since the SB loss. No radio, ESPN, podcasts, youtube, articles....nothing.

I absolutely would not trade up in the first for an OL. My personal preference would be to take a DE there or even trade down into the 40 range if possible to take one and maybe pick up an extra 3rd.

I AM for taking a guy that may be a little raw but has first round physical ability like a Walker Little in the 2nd or 3rd. Schwartz coming back healthy would be a HUGE plus, but it is a back problem and he's 32 and there were rumors he'd retire after this contract is up anyway. I don't think it's a bad idea to nab a guy that may be a year away. Getting younger and cheaper will be a part of the equation as Mahomes' contract starts to be a factor.

I'm hopeful Niang is one answer long term. It would still be smart to have another.

Yep.

Eh, at worst he's the swing tackle. Or they'll kick him inside to play guard. He'll be the first guy once pretty much anyone other than C goes down, and he'll be ready to slide in as a starter the following season.

I wouldn't be mad about it all. While he may not start week 1, he's going to start at some point and be a relied upon contributor.

I'm about ready to shut out CP until after free agency starts. :D

I’m not convinced we’ll go all OL day 2. I think you’ll see one in the first 3 rds then another late rd development prospect.

Corner is a position I think we might sneak in fairly early. But again that depends on what happens this month.

Again, yep.

You’re not having fun arguing the same shit over and over again?

Oh I’m not convinced they will either.

But ideally, if they can get a T and C/G on day 2, that would be perfect.

I agree.

I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed come May that they "didn't do enough" for the offensive line.

I expect a fairly high profile FA signing and maybe some depth / scrub signings, as well as one high-isn pick (maybe 2nd round) and one later.

Overall, I expect we'll get ONE starter out of the whole process (the one high profile FA) and people are going to be upset that they've pencilled in Fisher and Schwartz to start the season.

:thumb:

James Hudson in round 2 and David Moore in round 4.

I am for......anything really. I don't have a passionate pick in this fight yet.

Trade up for OL? Im good with that. Stand pat for a DE? Sounds like a plan. Throw more weapons at Mahomes? COOL! A boss-ass LB? SURE!

We have a QB. Everything else is just gravy.

That's kind of how I feel, sans trading up.

This team has a a lot of small holes that the draft can really address. This draft is also setup very well to get any one of WR, DB, DE, IOL/C, or OT at #31. There's really no need to expend extra draft capital to trade up when we'll likely have a great pick sitting there at #31 anyway.

Yea, you don’t necessarily have to find your C on day 2. I’d be more than happy to go:

1. DE
2. OT
3. WR/LB
4. C/G
4. WR/LB

That extra 4 might come in handy if we find ourselves wanting to trade up at the start of day 3.

You're speaking my language

man, that's a LOT to address the offensive line. I would've been happy with that before Veach reported that he expected both Fisher and Schwartz back. As it stands, I'd be thrilled.

I wouldn't HATE a small move-up to grab Jenkens or Jalen Mayfield, both of whom are versatile enough to play G if both Fisher and Schwartz can play and both with enough upside and potential to handle LT.

It would be an understandable pick. It would be a defensible choice.

I think the only thing I wouldn't get, given all their needs, is the idea of taking a LB at 31 or even taking a LB in the top 2 rounds. DE, OT, C, WR, and CB all slot up as more critical needs.


Yeah, if they get a C (Cory Linsley, Nick Martin) and a swing tackle and then add T with upside early in the draft (even if it's Little or Hudson), that's a major allocation of resources whether people realize it or not.

I mean, that line could look like this by the playoffs:

Fisher-ROOKIE/Niang-Linsley-LDT/Rookie/Niang-Schwartz

Which would likely be the best OL Mahomes has had in the playoffs.

I personally think that's a lot too and wouldn't be surprised to see them do less, especially if they tender Wylie, for example.

But so many people want new starting tackles plus everything else, I think it's going to end up being a common gripe.

I mean, with LDT coming back, that's one spot upgraded if you let Wylie walk.
If Osemele passes a physical, you could get him on a cheap one year deal. He was looking GREAT until he got hurt. If not, Alegretti was not a problem.

you could sign old man Peters as LT insurance/swing man in case Niang isn't ready and Fisher needs a little time.

And you really just need an upgrade at C for day one. If Britt's healthy, he'd be an upgrade over Reiter. If you draft a Humphrey or a Myers you're set.

I am with you and there are far more knowledgeable people here in regard to alot of this so I will defer to them.

BUT our goal every year should be to make sure Pat stays upright and healthy and what happened to him in the SB should never happen again.

man if Fisher and Schwartz can go and play like their regular selves then I'm not worried about OT in 2021 barring injuries.

I'm a little skeptical both can day one. That's why I like picking up Peters on a cheap deal as insurance. He wants another ring, and here he can get one as a fill-in/swing tackle/mentor for the younguns.

I'm kind of there too. Not found of the idea of a LB but given Collins' unique skill set, it's at least forgivable.

LDT sucks, Osemele won't ever play again, and Peters is over the hill.

I can already hear it, primarily because it's already been said. :D

LMAO Signing Peters and Osemele as "insurance". Yeah, if you want the same type of insurance Britt Reid is going to be buying once he gets out of prison.

well yeah. People didn't want Andy Reid, hated Spags, and didn't want Honey Badger either.

LDT is a slightly above average starter, in my opinion. He's not a PLUS player, but you don't have to help him.

Osemele may not be his former self. But he's working hard to get on the field again, according to some video posted a while back. Even if he doesn't play again, Alegretti looked like an average to slightly above average starter; a more physical LDT. That's fine. He's not a problem.

I just want to upgrade from Reiter and Wylie as starters mostly.

In the end, it's not really about what I want. They're going to do what they think needs to be done, regardless of my feelings on it.

That's why I will always continue to maintain what I think is realistic, because that's really all that matters in the end.

they're over the hill vets that may have a little left in the tank. If you're expecting them to start 19 games, then no, you don't want to do that. If you need them to spot start and fill-in, then they're exactly what you want to grab on cheap one year deals.

I don't think you understand what I mean by insurance. I wouldn't give either big money, and I wouldn't be expecting either to start for 19 games. I would be signing them as experienced depth.

*I look at it more like when we picked up Suggs for the stretch run in 2019. I wouldn't have wanted to rely on him for a full season, but he was helpful. This stretch where we might need a little bridge will be early in the season is all.

It’s not like you’d be relying on either guy for the entire season.

For somebody that wants to focus on OL, you sure are picky and have unrealistic expectations.

This is exactly where I'm at as well.

I am not a huge fan of the strong "DRAFT THIS POSITION AT 31 NO MATTER WHAT" stances.

Get the BPA in one of those 4 categories and let's go!

but he's OH SO WITTY.

Fix the offensive line!

But only bring in quality, young starters that are cheap to do it!

Yeah I don't get it.

Look, if Fisher needs 3 games to be game ready, wouldn't you feel okay with Jason Peters for those 3 games? I would.

And then the rest of the way, he's a swing guy that can fill in anywhere on the line with tons of experience and knows the system?

and he'll be CHEAP.

I really don't see the downside.

LMAO Yes, let's sign a damn near 40 year old man coming off the IR to back up our Ts coming off achilles and back surgery.

Sounds almost as good as signing a broke dick that tore tendons in both knees running down the field to back up our Gs that both haven't been involved in organized football for over a year and that are coming off hip surgery and being a known brokedick in his own right.

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The Chiefs have had a premiere offensive line for the past several years yet people bitched continually about LDT, Wylie, Reiter and Fisher, despite leading the league in scoring or being in the Top 3.

What I've come to learn with this crowd is that the offensive line will never, ever be sufficient because every player will be compared to the 2002-2004 line, which of course, won absolutely nothing but was "great".

You understand that likely isn't happening, right? Reiter is a really good center and, while I really like LDT, I'm not sure he's that much better than Wylie at G.

as opposed to what exactly?

If they pass a physical and they're back-ups what is your problem with it?

Do you not think Jason Peters would be better than Remmers?

Do you not think Osemele after passing a physical is better than Wylie?

Would you prefer to spend a bunch of cap money that we don't have?

Or do you just like to throw shit like a monkey without offering any other options?

I think it's the latter.

Reiter is NOT a really good center and I don't care what PFF says.

And Wylie is shitty.

I don't care what you say.

Not on this topic. They're not worthy.

The OL is pretty much set IMO. They think Fisher and Schwartz will be back, Niang is coming back (who they are high on) and Allegretti/Wylie are coming back who they are also high on.

What happens with Reiter remains to be seen next week. If he’s priced out then I think our main addition to the unit is a C. If he’s back then I really don’t see an issue there?

We are actually pretty solid at G. Niang is probably going to take one of those spots and LDT or Wylie are probably our RG. I low key think Rankin could steal that RG spot due to his play in 2019. It wasn’t fair to him with covid bc literally everywhere shut down. That’s awful for a player that needed to do rehab.

It just doesn’t seem like there will be a starting spot available for a rookie unless it’s at C. Well unless a freak occurrence happens and Teven Jenkins is somehow available, we’d play him at RG (he’s played there before) then kick him out to tackle. But the odds of that happening are very slim.

I think that if we want to see starters produce early from the draft, then we need to look at receiver, C (Reiter possible replacement), pass rusher and LB.

I hate doing mocks before FA though. It’s fun but we need to see what the roster looks like after some signings before we can get a better picture of what our draft might look like.

I already have spelled it out, multiple times, and it's been blatantly misconstrued as something unreasonable like wanting all 5 starters replaced in one off season so **** it. I'll just shitpost the whole way through.

A "healthy" LDT is a bit of an upgrade from Wylie. But if LDT plays like he did in 2019, it's nearly a wash.

Wylie isn't going to the Pro Bowl nor is he making anyone's All Pro ballot but he's a guy that can play well when surrounded by talent greater than his on both sides.

But if he's stuck next to a Mike Remmers or has to play Right Tackle, he's a liability, not an asset.

You’re looking at maybe 1 new starter on the OL with development draft picks later on in the draft. Might as well accept that now.

you answered none of my questions.

So you just want to be a monkey throwing shit. Ok.

What I would like is a guy you don't have to help, which is basically what you're saying I think. A guy that can hold his own; and I don't think Wylie or Reiter are that guy.

I think it's pretty likely we're not signing any pro bowl level offensive linemen in their prime.

I think that leaves over the hill guys and undervalued players along with draftees.

That can work if your expectations are realistic.

Veach pointed out CB & OL being deep in the draft, IMO Unless they are a freak athlete defensive prospect then the Chiefs will draft more than OL.

Yeah, I told you why I'm not bothering. It'll eventually circle back around to "BLABLABLA YOU CANT REPLACE ALL THE STARTERS ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE" even though I've never said that's what I'd like, or "welp son, Veach is just going to do so and so so you might as well accept it." It's pointless.

what's pointless is throwing shit without offering options.

Just stay out if you have no opinion other than "YOUR PLAN SUCKS"

How about- "Rather than Peters I'd like player X"

"I don't think Osemele plays again. I'd like to sign player Y to a cheap veteran deal instead"

When all you do is throw shit you're just an asshole.

I'll tell you this-

If Jason Peters passes a physical at age 39, he's a better player than Remmers has ever been in his life.

and I wouldn't want to depend on either starting 19 games.

AND-furthermore, the best case scenario would be that Peters wouldn't play at all. You're planning on Fisher and Schwartz being good to go day one. You're planning on Niang being ready to play if either falters. Peters is your plan 'C'. There's really no downside at all.

Well, yeah, but when I get the same results either way I'll go the smarmy asshole route every time.