Lol missori wont do sht.

Missouri side just needs to do better than 70% probably

MDOT is terrible, and in KC as long as Q is the Mayor, forget about having anything being ran the way it should be.

Chiefs to Kansas. Royals and Cardinals get big bucks from Missouri. That's the likely plan

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If Legends really is the new location that drive from the airport is going to be insanely easy.

Yesterday at the Jackson County Legislative Meeting a proposed 3/8 cent sales tax for the Chiefs only for 40 years passed through committee and could be put on the Jackson County ballot for this November.

Kansas is only second to Texas in football history

Sounds like it has to win a vote next week, and then not be vetoed by Frank White. No word from the Chiefs and doesn't sound like they've been involved in this.

For what? A renovation? A new stadium? If new stadium, where in Jackson county?

Legends is like 5 minutes closer from the airport than Arrowhead is. Don’t think that’s a benefit even being discussed. I can say if they do it in that area, the parking will definitely become insanely worse.

Yup.

I don't know exactly where the Chiefs are going but this is a business - they will go where the money is.

How many Amish does it take to build a football stadium in Kansas

We're about to find out!! Exciting, isn't it?

No details. I think the Legislature is just trying to tee up a big bucket of money to bring to the Chiefs for Arrowhead renovation or a new stadium in the same spot.

Sure, between KS and MO, but I'm interested to know why we didn't hear a lot from other cities. Seems like the chiefs are potentially losing money if they don't look for bids outside of KC metro.

The NFL would lose credibility with a lot of fans if a franchise as well-supported as the Chiefs have been by a local fanbase entertained bids to leave. You have to remember that the NFL gameday product is fairly weak, 3 hours of pickup truck commercials and replay reviews and about 30 minutes of "action", if you can call it that. We NFL fans are fairly stupid and completely addicted. Thankfully, the NFL ensures that all the fanbases can at least hope to win a championship at some point in the near future. But, if the Chiefs were to pull some shit like entertaining bids from cities that almost certainly would be "non or only marginally major league" cities, it would throw a lot of ice water on fan faces around the country and wake a lot of them up and make them reexamine their lives and sports interests. ;)

Clark Hunt\Hunt family is 100% responsible for the training facility not the city\state.

I don't believe that for a second (but of course you could be right!). If the team/league had the right price and the right city I believe they would already be gone. They extorted multiple cities during the "who is going to end up being in LA" years.

If fans and cities believed their team isn't going to move then what is the incentive for cities to pay billions of dollars to keep them?

Nah, this shit happens all the time across sports and everyone knows the worst case for any team is moving to a different city. The Browns did, and of course other teams relatively few people care about.

The main difference is the Chiefs' owner isn't a complete piece of shit.

Seems like every high priced free agent used KC to drive up the price and go somewhere else for more money for a good 20 years.

Looks like the Chiefs finally decided to do it themselves...

Both teams that ended up in LA either started there (the Chargers) or were otherwise significantly associated with LA (the Rams started in Cleveland in 1936, joined the NFL in 1937, and moved to LA in 1946, making them the first major league sports franchise not just in LA but on the Pacific Coast. The Rams remained in LA through the 1993 season, before moving to St. Louis).

The Chiefs haven't exhausted their options in the KC metro region, yet. It would look horrible for them and for the league for them to go shopping themselves around until they get further along in the process, especially given that they'd be courting mid-major cities, not somewhere like LA.

The NFL made a point of putting a new franchise in Cleveland and calling them the Browns. The Browns also moved to a city that got screwed by the Colts. Those franchises had at least an argument for moving, and yet the cities that got screwed were, in the end, made whole. Kansas City isn't going to get done wrong in the end, not with the way they've supported the team through most of its history.

lol okay except for the huge parking area any plan is required to build. They have all the room in the world in that Southwest corner

New Arrowhead will share a parking lot with Nebraska Furniture Mart. Get there early if you want to find a spot.

Considering we have no idea where it will be built that's an impossible thing to say, you have zero idea where parking will be

Still don't understand why Jackson County didn't just vote to continue what they have. Why open the door like this?

Partially correct. The vote passed 5 to 3 (1 abstention) which would already be enough to pass the entire legislature. If they vote within the next 2 weeks then they have enough time to override a veto and still get on the Nov. ballot. They could also wait and put it on the ballot at a later time.

Frank White never shows up to Jackson County meetings because he is the 1st base coach for the Monarchs (formerly T-Bones). Who knows what he is thinking? He seems to have little communication with other legislators.

State $$ from Missouri is partially dependent on who wins the 8/6 GOP primary for governor. Kehoe will play ball with the teams. Ashcroft says he is a no. Eigel is a hell no. If one of the latter 2 wins, then Parson will have to pull some strings on the way out the door. Some have floated a special session, some think Parson can give them economic development on the way out the door.

Overall, rumor I've heard is that the Chiefs prefer being in Jackson County because the taxpayer $$ is their golden goose. a 3/8 cent for 40 years is roughly the same amount as a KS STAR bond with a lot less complications. That factored with potential MO state money means the ceiling for $ is the highest in Jackson County by far. That is probably why its harder to get money out of those jurisdictions

The revenue from sports betting around a brand new stadium in Kansas would pay it off way earlier than 30 years. They have to be at like 15million in tax revenue this year alone?

In Kansas.

That number will continue to grow to outrageous heights.

Meth

I'm gonna need you to post in this thread more.

As a single county, why build a $2B+ stadium when you can get the entire state next door to do it?

So everyone said no to 3/8 for both teams, but now they think people will want to pay the same amount for only the Chiefs? That seems... optimistic.

Bragging rights.
Tax revenue.
Sales tax on money spent at the stadium

Billions of reasons over 40 years.

If that were true the state of Missouri would/will step up and offer the Clarks a four BILLION clams stadium...

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Because a titty bar, some vacant Uhual building and ramen noodle place was more important than the stadiums

I think it would pass. The first ballot measure had a lot of people voting against it specifically because they hated the Royals stadium plan.

The Missouri/Kansas thing is a major flashpoint for this area. This would be a very clear "last chance" to keep the Chiefs from moving to Kansas. It also probably funds a much better stadium plan than what was on the table for Arrowhead last time.

I heard that the titty bar guy wanted them to build there too lol. Missouri is a stupid stupid hick state.

Clark Hunt's wife isn't running around town, and online, flaunting her ignorance and entitlement to taxpayers either. On top of that, no one is concerned about Hunt selling the team for a fat profit as soon as the stadium get's built.

I am curious how the property tax issue will have an affect this time. Those people were a hard core **** anything involving a tax and Frank White's crooked ass was fire to the flames. Some more time will have passed, but dumping the Royals may not be enough for them to forget about that ordeal.

Idk, the plans the Chiefs had put out there were completely terrible and I don't blame people for voting that dumb shit down. Bunch of renovations to improve the game day experience of the VIPs, gtfo.

Clark Hunt addressed the media this week and to me it seemed like they are gonna do a rebuild instead of a renovation. Every time he talked before it seemed like he was leaning towards a renovation, but it definitely sounds like they're steering away from that now.

Bragging rights? Childish but that's about all a city gets from having pro sports...

As for tax revenue, no. It's well documented that cities struggle to break even on pro sports deals. Remember this business is only open about 12 days out of 365. And, most of the money spent at the stadium would have been spent in the metro anyway, it's not new money, it's just siphoning money from other businesses like the local pub or bowling alley.

It makes a lot more sense to have your neighbor pay for the stadium while you sell a few plane tickets and some bbq.

The commercials I saw during the vote made it clear they were threatening to move out of state, even Patrick had a line about "keeping the team in the city". If the NFL is worried about optics then threatening the voters was an odd choice.

And the NFL got numerous contract deals during the LA extortion. They were clear a new team was headed to LA and the Rams were one of the last teams to get a deal done. The league moved them even though the city voted yes, then the NFL had to pay st Louis 800 million. I can't imagine worse optics than that.

Did you read any of this thread?

And remember, this isn't the voters doing. This is the billionaire owners who are forcing this.

1. Most cities don't have a 1% earnings tax that hits the game check of literally every single player who plays in a game in their jurisdiction, either. So every game, the city gets 1% of every game check for players on BOTH teams. For the upcoming year, the cap is $255M. The city is pulling in between $2M and $2.5M in earnings tax alone per season. This doesn't take into account coaching staffs for the Chiefs or any of the administrative employees or other employees.

2. If the Chiefs move across state line, the money spent at the Chiefs game is still going to be spent at the Chiefs game. Which means all that revenue is now being generated in Wyandotte County or Johnson county, rather than Jackson county. That money isn't going to go from the Chiefs to the bowling alley or local pub, unless the Chiefs completely move out of the metro.

The state of MO also has a jock tax, that I think is 2% of earnings. So it has incentive to keep tax revenue there, too.

I know there are financial studies that generally show stadium funding is neutral at best for the area. But Kansas City has some unique factors.

The Star bonds would take 100% of the sales tax from alcohol in the district.

They would only have to beat 30M that gets generated for KC.

All the liquor. All the gambling. And I’m sure if they want that 1% from the game checks they can pass that too.

Missouri will have to care about the welfare of billionaires.

Which is why they want a dome. So that they can have more open days through out the year with a wide variety of events.

[QUOTE=vonBobo;17600463]Bragging rights? Childish but that's about all a city gets from having pro sports...

As for tax revenue, no. It's well documented that cities struggle to break even on pro sports deals. Remember this business is only open about 12 days out of 365. And, most of the money spent at the stadium would have been spent in the metro anyway, it's not new money, it's just siphoning money from other businesses like the local pub or bowling alley.

This is patently false. Specifically when it comes to fall/winter discretionary income. The money spent on tailgating, booze, parking, tickets, and local mechandise/apparel is SIGNIFICANT. Assume the Chiefs moved to Nashville: there is NO local venue, or venue type in the city that can attract dollars from 70,000 pockets. There would be a small uptick in casino activity, some folks would have lunch and a few pitchers at sports bars to track their $50 football bet, but if people felt compelled to just spend the $ burning a hole in their pockets (most are strapped just to set aside Chiefs money because they are passionate Chiefs fans), they aren't spending $500 at the "bowling alley" or on blooming rings, they are leaving the cold midwest and taking long weekends or using vacation time to go to Fla or Cancun. That's millions in lost tax revenue/yr.

The study you refer to was performed on Chicago...ever been to a Bears game? I have...no tailgating, no parking. Cubs? No tailgating, no parking. White Sox? No fans. Do you know how much Chiefs tailgating has affected the composite culinary habits and skills of our 2 million+ population? Do you think 20 yrs ago, more than 100 Chiefs fans would spend $1,000 on a grill? Just read the BBQ topics in this forum...CPers alone have $100k wrapped up in pellet grills, mostly due to long-term exposure to the bi-weekly BBQ cooking championship we call "tailgating". I invest in real estate, and I've seen THOUSANDS of homes in KC, do you know how many spend $10k to $80k finishing their basements JUST to have a place to act a fool w/ their friends for Chiefs games AND show off their signed, framed jerseys and memorabilia? There is NO ****ING WAY that same money gets spent locally without the PASSION required to make questionable purchase decisions. A lot of it may get spent, but most of it goes to Mexico, Florida, Las Vegas, or Spain and Italy.

"I know there are financial studies that generally show stadium funding is neutral at best for the area. But Kansas City has some unique factors."

I've seen non-thinkers from many fan bases cite this study a hundred times over the past year, and they have ZERO ability to consider the nuances...imagine the sociological impact on a city like Green Bay if they lost the Packers. It's literally what binds them and is the major influence of their social behavior. Take that experience away, the hometown, underdog pride and why would you stay?

I would argue Arrowhead denizens are the same. I'm not arguing that the Chiefs moving to Strip Mall, Ks is akin to losing the team to San Antonio, but ks would NOT float the star bond if there was no hope for profit...this would be by FAR their biggest Star BOnd offering, and Prairie Fire has already defaulted, so the smart money strongly believes there is more than a "zero effect" of a stadium in KC.

Agree, they need to do a dome with natural grass inside.

ROFL You think KC men are unique in that they like to BBQ? People do that here in Texas too. EVERYONE has a smoker and it has NO connetion to the Chiefs or the Cowboys or whoever.

You may be right, but I doubt seriously the Chiefs will leave the KC metro area, if they do they had made their minds up a long time ago and just needed confirmation from the region that the region isn't willing to play ball.

The state of Missouri is, as always, being very stupid by not flexing it's considerable comparative financial muscle against Kansas, but that's nothing new - it's not STL!!!! Where in Jeff City only St. Louis matters, in Topeka their #1 concern is JOCO and WYCO, so I can't blame JACO for losing the Chiefs, the state did, it was never a fair fight.

But KC wouldn't be losing the Chiefs. It's still the KC metro. This makes no sense.

It still makes no logical sense to say, "I'd love to spend the same amount but only get half the benefit."

Is it really half the benefit if it is a much better stadium plan than what was previously communicated. The thing that makes this entire process hilarious is that it is a pretty insignificant amount of money per household.

The tax revenue lost when the stadium leaves is offset by no longer paying the extortion tax. So now every Zman sold or hotel rented downtown MO is no longer leveraged against the extortion tax either. But yeah, nothing solves the problem of siphoning unless the city is already a destination itself and tourism is hot, which KC will never compete against mountains or casinos or the Pacific ocean.

I appreciate your insight and I want to know more. When the JaCo stadium folks announced that last year they lost money, is that not also accounting for the player tax you are talking about?

He invests in real estate so he’s got his finger on the pulse of everything from home renovations to cooking competitions. Dangerous skill set

I'd argue that's exactly what just happened.

Work on your reading comprehension skills. Stop building straw men, it makes for more interesting discussions.

Still an ignoramus I see...

That's exactly what I said...I'm referring to the "study" that downplayed the financial effect of pro sports venues, not the financial effect of moving across town.

And you disregard the fact that a lot of homes don't give a shit about sports, or that this tax will affect tax payers that aren't even born yet, or the fact that JaCo is already in debt from other corporate welfare projects, or that JaCo tax payers are in the middle of suing the city because of the massive tax hike that was just implemented, or the fact that no one wanted royals stadium where they tried to force it, or the fact that the chiefs renovation plan only benefits a few 1%ers on game day, or that the funding and default plan was so weak that a Jaco legislator tried to cancel the vote.

So yeah. I guess if you ignore all the problems with this proposal then it does seem silly.. but that's on you and willful ignorance.

I don’t live in the KC area, but I doubt the Chiefs paid for ads that threatened the team would move to somewhere outside the KC metro area, which includes two states.

St. Louis losing a team does not have the worst optics. They had already lost the Cardinals NFL franchise that they got from Chicago and although the Rams won it all while in St. Louis, that franchise was only in St. Louis for a short fraction of its existence, especially compared to where it is has mainly been, the city it moved back to.

Bottom line is it is really an insignificant amount of money per household. All the other bullshit is just that, bullshit. If you don't support that tax staying in effect because you don't like sports, great. This tax isn't going to put anyone in the poor house or cause people to lose their homes.

You sound like a bitter douchebag who walks around wearing a "Tax is Theft" T-shirt while drawing a welfare check and food stamps each month.

The Earnings Tax is a city budget item, not a county budget item. I think what you're referencing was the county executive's office talking about the operation of the stadiums. I also trust that to be accurate and not adjusted to meet White's narrative... not at all.

And the deal that was rejected shifted many of the operating costs to the teams.

The people that allow the Chiefs to walk to a different state should have to where a big Chiefs Red L on their forehead for the rest of their lifes. $150.00 a year each? And that probably doesn't account for the tax revenue collected from people from out of the county that come to see the Chiefs and Royals.

You seem like "That Guy" who will complain about anything, just to complain...But that's on you, and it's called ignorance by choice.

Should taxpayers only pay for stuff they care about and not for the stuff they don’t care about?

No, but we should vote on large effort-specific "special purpose" taxes. That's what happened here.

The Royals and Chiefs did such an incredibly bad job campaigning for this to pass. So much misinformation was being thrown out and they did nothing to counter it. They didn't explain that the money from a 3/8 cent sales tax amounts to jack shit.

If you were to buy on average $300/week in Jackson County the amount of money that would be going to the stadiums is $58.50 for the entire year. That is 16 cents a day or $4.88/month. So you would be paying $2.44 a month to each the Royals and Chiefs.

Yeah let's lose all the tax revenue from players game day checks and employees of the teams checks, so that people will at most put less than $5/month in there pocket.

Hold on though, I don't think the county is going to just lose millions of dollars in tax revenue. They'll get that money back from the tax payer somehow.

I don't believe a single thing that comes from Frank White's mouth in regards to any of this. He's just a bitter old man that is trying to get his.

Are we pretending a county subsidizing a billionaire's entertainment business is anywhere near the same thing as funding something like a new school or water treatment plant? We vote on those things all the time and they're a hell of a lot more important than something as trivial as sports entertainment.

Except the billionaire’s don’t own the stadium. The city/county does. In essence the taxpayers would benefit from the revenue generated from events the stadium(s) hosts. That does not go into the pockets of the owners of the sports teams. I wasn’t referring to building a new school or water treatment plant. Let’s not pretend that eliminating the 3/8 cent tax would result in either of those being built.

Now a tax I was referring to is a property tax. A portion of that tax goes to funding schools that are zoned in that area. Should someone who has no children or children that do not go to those schools be forced to fund them without a say in it? If so, why?

Stop belittling the citizens. A billionaire is asking the citizens for billions of our dollars.

Do you have a better plan?

Yes, otherwise the generation eventually wiping your ass won’t know how to read the instructions.

Sure. Keep what’s already in place.

Nah.

[QUOTE=philfree;17601087]The people that allow the Chiefs to walk to a different state should have to where a big Chiefs Red L on their forehead for the rest of their lifes. $150.00 a year each? And that probably doesn't account for the tax revenue collected from people from out of the county that come to see the Chiefs and Royals.

Really, if you’re you’re going to criticize..

Crumbling roads and crippling debt?

You think the 3/8 cent tax will remedy this? If it’s that bad then there are far worse things going on and that tax or lack there of won’t make things better.