Honestly I wish we had another week or two to get a look at Morris back at LT.

We shit on that dude so quickly on the basis of the ass kicking he took vs LV but he really did look competent for most of the season. Then the knee started barking at him.

I think he can give us roughly what Thuney has - again, if the offense we've run the last 2 weeks is the offense we run - but there's just no time to find out.

If DJ isn't up for the task, Thuney is your guy. But if we were to lose Caliendo for some reason, I'd rather move Thuney back into LG and Morris to LT than dick around with another LG.

You can plug and play guards no problem. Remember when we signed Wizniewski in the middle of the year and stuck him at LG in the Super Bowl?

You’re not doing that with a Left Tackle. That is far more important. If Thuney is playing better than anyone else at tackle (which he is) then he should absolutely start. If Humphries looks god then fine. But Andy isn’t going to start him if he looks somewhat shaky tomorrow

Tomorrow game will be the tell tale for me. If he balls out against Nik Bonitto then I would consider putting him at left tackle. If he looks bad whiffing on blocks, giving up sacks, he’s the backup.

Why does he have to 'ball out'?

Thuney hasn't.

I don't understand why the bar for Humphries is HIGHER than Thuney for some people.

Folks, we aren't benching Thuney here. We're moving the best LG in football back to LG. The bar for doing that shouldn't be any higher than 'not obviously worse at LT' because we will be orders of magnitude better at LG if we make that move.

Sure. But you wouldn't be 'plugging and playing' Morris.

You'd be re-inserting him into the lineup at the position he'd played all year.

What's the chances this dude get hurts tomorrow? Seems like a broke dick

It's been one of the more bizarre discussions of the year IMO. Why anyone would want to say no to an all pro guard in exchange for mediocrity at both LT and LG is beyond me.

I'd disagree.

I think the running game definitely suffers with Thuney outside but it doesn't matter. Pat being upright and healthy is more important than a difference in YPC in the running game.

For me it’s just that I don’t trust Humphries. Coming off injury , hasn’t played hardly any football in a year and us wanted to toss him out there in a divisional playoff game like that. Maybe I shouldn’t have said balled or expect him to be Trent Williams, but he definitely going to have to show something to gain trust in everyone’s eyes. Also seems like Thuney has been better each week at LT and Pat is starting to trust him. So I do think the bar for him has to be higher to unseat Thuney since the offense has finally started to look its normal self.

You're aware we have a game before the divisional to see if he's got it or not, right?

I assume that's the case.

That being said the ceiling for Humpries at LT is definitely higher. He's not in game shape yet, he's already had an injury, but if he's able to get to 80% of what he was that's approaching a pro bowl player.

Can he pull shit together this quickly with this little playing time? Don't know but I think everyone hopes so...

Yes.

Yes.

It's really not that hard. And again, Humphries only needs to look about as good as Thuney.

Your right.Tomorrow is the day where we can gamble with him being out there to see where he’s at. Hopefully he has a good showing. I understand he’s going to get beat some but I don’t want to see any bad whiffs where can’t even get a hand on a defender and gets the Qb killed. At least when Thuney gets beat he gets beat slow.

Maybe something to worry about before signing him for next year.

Yea, I guess that depends a little on how much you want to move Thuney back to LG.

If the coaches trust him, why wouldn't you? They've won 4 AFC championships in 6 years.

We’ll see just how much they trust him on Sunday. I’d like to see them leave him on an island once he gets a few series under him and just see what the hell he can do when given no help against elite rushers. We need to know exactly what we have at LT going into the playoffs, and this is a perfect opportunity.

I think he’s going force the issue and play so well that they’re perfectly comfortable moving Thuney back inside. Everything seems to be lining up for the 3-peat and suddenly having solid LT play for the playoff run would kind of be the final icing.

I absolutely agree with you.

This. I really think people are so nervous about thuney not playing LT that they underplay how huge an upgrade it would be for thuney to take over for caliendo. We've been playing musical chairs all year with LTs. If humphries plays well I'm not too nervous about continuity.

That’s just it . Do you think the coaches trust him with the small sample size he’s shown them? This game is important for him to gain trust.

When you think about it, Humphries doesn’t have to be better than Thuney…he has to be better than Caliendo.

What I don’t understand is why coaches can’t evaluate play in practice.

Are we simply not able to have de ‘s go at dj full speed? And evaluate how he does?

I never understood using live game action to evaluate players.

Reminds me of how jared Allen was on special teams and only got a chance to play due to injuries. No coaches could tell in scrimmages that he was good?

When I played football in pop Warner coaches used scrimmaged to determine which position each kid would play and who would and wouldn’t start.

Guards dont really matter. Interior offensive line doesn't really matter for a passing team.

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LT is just such a premium position comparatively. If Thuney is your best LT, you use Thuney at LT even if it makes you dogshit at G. Also this decision will be up to Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes isn't going to tell the coaching staff he wants the guy who's barely played with him to be his LT in the playoffs.

Best case scenario is we blow out the Texans in the first half, move Humphries in 2nd half and he also balls out thrn maybe Mahomes will be comfortable. I simply just don’t think Mahomes is going to allow anyone but Joe Thuney to be his backside protection this year. Right or wrong.

They can. To a large degree.

And that's why Humphries is getting a shot. If they didn't like what they saw from him in practice, they wouldn't be giving him the chance to reclaim the job.

It's difficult IMO to evaluate guys in practice at alot of positions. Because coaches routinely get it wrong. Once you are out on game day some guys just don't have it between the ears. Obviously the coaches liked what they saw from Toney and Skyy in practice. Same with Morris. Same with Kingsley.

There's a lot of hopeful optimism in there, too. Like "there's plenty of upside there and he's great in practice, maybe he can put it all together in a game", and then they utterly shit the bed. It happens.

If they weren't planning on going with Humphries if possible. They would play Thuney this game to give him more exposure at LT.

Even though we don’t do it but I wonder if it would help in the evaluation dept if we did scrimmages with other teams in the offseason. Preseason was shortened so limited time there. Our left tackle weren’t really going against world beaters in training camp aka FAU and Mike Dana.

Why is Humphries vs Thuney at LT even a real discussion? If Humphries proves healthy, you play him. You know, play the guy with 100 starts in this league at LT as your LT and you move the best LG in the league, and maybe ever to play the game, back to ****ing LG. It really doesn't have to be hard.

The thing is he not only needs to prove himself healthy but also prove that he can be average enough to get the job done after a lengthy time not paying football and coming back from injury.

This. But fortunately we have a game today against a team with a good pass rush playing for their playoff lives that should give some helpful insight into whether he is a) healthy and b) can play at a competent enough level. He didn’t look great against the Chargers before getting hurt, but I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt that he wasn’t yet in game shape and was knocking off some rust. Let’s see how he does today. If he is average or better, great. If not, he’s depth and you roll with what’s been working the past few games.

Yes! You know humphries wants this as well. If he can pull it together for a chiefs run in the playoffs, he made himself some money. However, he might not be the same physically. We need this bum. I want thuney at LG.

I have no clue why this is even a discussion. If Humphries is as good as Thuney, roll.

It’s a discussion because the dude hasn’t played football in over a year, has only been with the organization for less than 2 months, and hasn’t even been able to get healthy thus far.

If he clears all those things up this week, then super. Let’s roll.

Then let's worry about it AFTER the game.

He played some about a month ago.

Nope.

I’m going to freak the **** out right now.

You can’t do shit about it either.

He didn't forget how to play while he was injured. If he's healthy, he'll be at least a league-average starting LT like he has always been.

Omenihu didn't forget how to play like a league-average starting DE when he returned from an injury that kept him out a similar amount of time, did he?

He will acquit himself well today, bet on it

Hell yeah, burn it all to the ground!

We don’t need no goddamn left tackle!

I think we would have a different opinion of Morris if Mahomes was getting rid of the ball as quickly as he has the last two games when Morris was in.

He was in the bottom 10 in snap to pass time most of the season and the last two games he's been one of the fastest. That affects how the line looks a ton.

I don't think Morris would look "good" or anything. But the offense would have been a ton better and we would be fine with living with his play.

I think that's what drove all the conversations about Morris. Mahomes just wouldn't get rid of the damn ball. And it's so easy to confuse what fixed that. Was it Thuney? Was it Hollywood? Was Mahomes just in a mental funk?

As much as I'd like to be rational about Humphries giving us a higher ceiling, I'm also deathly afraid of losing what we already have.

It's a clear view and perfect example of how this team is absolutely starved for even average results at left tackle.

My vote is Hollywood. Having one extra competent receiver makes a huge difference.

What if I told you guys that we could just put Thuney back in if DJ struggles in the playoffs. I know. It’s wild and a little out there. But it’s a real thing.

Mahomes could be long dead by that point!

True, I'm just not cool with ****ing around in the playoffs. That's what the Regular Season was for.

I got shit on for supporting Wanya Morris at all, but he was more than serviceable until he ****ed up his knee and was forced back into the game against the Donks, because Bonnito was beating Kingsley every single play.

People just didn't like Morris, because he got his shit pushed in last season and the same people that are preaching patience with Kingsley were the most vocal about Wanya Morris being shit at LT last year.

I'm not a huge PFF guy, but I think they do a good job with OL advanced stats.

Last year in games that he had 30 or more pass block reps his pass grades were;

Week 13 GB - 73.4
Week 14 Buf - 60.3
Week 15 NE - 73.4
Week 16 LV - 51.7
Week 17 Cin - 74.9

10/24 pressures, 7/15 hurries, 2/7 hits, and 1/2 sacks came in week 16 against the Raiders.

He was actually really impressive last year as a 3rd round rookie playing LT on a SB team.

I’m a Morris fan too. I think we have something with him. Curious to see what they do with him next year.

Hey let’s wait for something g really bad to happen in a playoff game and then make an adjustment…

You didn't get shit just for supporting Wanya. You got shit because of the level you did and how you'd just bring him up unprovoked. I saw a Wanya post on the Chiefs subreddit and instantly knew it was you. You know how crazy it is to know that on a whole different app?

LMAO

He’s looking good so far.

Yeah, looks solid.

But the context is just so damn weird. Pretty disappointing - I hoped we'd at least PRETEND to give a shit for a half.

He looks fine. He will start come playoff time if this continues.

He looks like a legit LT, we're rolling with him period

So far, so good. Neat to see Kingley playing guard as well.

LOL @ you guys declaring him ready to go. We are learning nothing from this shitshow.

Well, that's one way to prove your football opinions should be ignored. Do you also believe preseason games aren't useful?

Yeah I mean not really no.

Fake football. You learn who you are in games that matter.

You're way too invested in being right about this as opposed to be objective.

2nd half was awful for Humphries.

Thuney is the LT.

Humphries just got cooked.

No way in hell is this guy starting in the playoffs.

I would be very surprised if we started anyone but Thuney at LT.

Well that rep didn't help a bit.

He looked really good on 3rd down. Looked like a complete oaf on 4th.

But that's the first time he's stood out negatively to me so far.

He whiffed twice earlier in the third quarter.

He ain't ready.

I’ve only been watching the second half and Humphries is not looking good. Based on comments that he was good early, maybe he ran out of steam. In any event stick with what was working and keep Thuney on the outside.

No. Just being realistic

The first half had me convinced we'd be fine, but I'm a little worried about him being in game shape. Can he last a whole game and then recover in a week to do it all over again?

All I ask from our LT is not not just flat out whiff. Morris whiffs. Kingsley whiffs. Hymphries whiffs. Thuney gets shoved back but doesn't ****in whiff.

Yeah, and I would have liked to see the offense actually put together a long drive or two. Tough to tell how his stamina is with a heavy workload.

And we had the ball for like 4 mins in the first half…

Hey, I’m all for having him on the roster as a backup, maybe an option for next year, but I’m not going into the playoffs with him as a starter. No way I. He’ll.

Think we can make it work but to act with any confidence he’s anything above chicken salad is just cope

You’ve been there in here hating. Sorry to disappoint with average play.

He’s regressed the second half. Only one terrible wiff that I noticed. Not helping that wentz can’t make a decision to save his life. Jesus he looks bad. CBS just pulled the game here.

You're convinced that Mike Caliendo, who has been rated as the worst LG in the NFL in his playing time, won't be a problem?

So who’s your starting OL in the playoffs?

He does seem to have picked up the cadence better. He was slow to get off the line the first game but appears to be getting off right at the snap this time.

Unfortunately I don't think I saw enough to say with any authority what should be done. We just didn't do enough real football and Wentz was a mess. The one real bad whiff was obvious but he had several really strong reps as well.

I don't think he'll be a clear upgrade on Thuney (unfortunately) but I'm not convinced he was worse than Thuney would be either.

I'll just wait and see I guess. I just can't form any strong opinion from this game.

Haven't been watching to intently. But he definitely does not look as good in the second half.