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Rain Man 01-04-2010 12:18 AM

The winner is the team that was visionary enough to draft Darrelle Revis. But it'll have to go to a vote first. When the Monday game is done and I have a little time, I'll start the process. This'll be fun.

Fat Elvis 01-04-2010 10:05 PM

Drew Brees, bitches.

Chiefs=Champions 01-04-2010 10:58 PM

ill see your Drew Brees and raise you a Peyton Manning :)

Mile High Mania 01-05-2010 05:50 AM

The Butte-Holes should win it all...

Old Dog 01-05-2010 08:18 AM

My WRs panned out better than expected

Mile High Mania 01-05-2010 09:08 AM

Well, when I took over the team... some yahoo had drafted Cassel incredibly too early, so my decision to trade him and roll with Schaub paid off.

Schaub led the NFL in yards 4,770 and he had 29 TDs and 15 INTs... solid, very freaking solid.

Boldin was the 11th ranked WR in yards, but down on TDs with only 4.
TJ Housh was the 16th ranked WR in yards, barely missed 1k yards and only 3 TDs. My depth at WR was fairly under-whelming.
Olsen was pretty solid at TE, with 60 rec's and 8 TDs.
Shockey had some injury issues, but was decent with 48 rec's for 3 TDs.

Brandon Jacobs and Kevin Smith did "ok" at RB, both had their issues and the injury put Smith down way too early. And, both were on teams that had issues all over the place, so going forward, I still like their upside. Hillis... I'm in awe that McD couldn't find a way to make him more useful. It's a waste of talent in my opinion. But, Buckhalter and Mike Bell both added 600+ rushing yards and another 6 rushing TDs, so as a group... the ground attack had great production for the Butte-Holes...

As an offense, the Crested Butte-Holes had well over 7,000 yards of combined offense with a total of 46 TDs. That's greatness!

Mason Crosby had a great season, so no problems with the kicking game. Maynard was 'ok' as a punter.

I'm not sure how to get the best stats for OL, but it looks like they were pretty good from a high level view.

Defensively... only 6 INTs from my DBs, Wilson was a bust, but I had 4 guys with over 65 tackles and I think Marshall, Tillman and Harper were good with Elam stepping in well.

The DL was pretty solid with over 30 sacks from Peppers, Ray Edwards, Kevin Williams, Kelly and Tapp. And, at LB - Morrison and Lofton were each over 100 tackles but the others were not as prolific.

All in all... I think the production was solid and the chemistry of the team remained pretty sound throughout the year. The passing game was the strength, while the platoon at RB proved to be a nice balance. Defensively, I think they could have played better, but overall it was a good season.

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The Franchise 01-05-2010 10:19 AM

God my QBs were awesome.

Jay Cutler
Brady Quinn
Chad Henne



That experiment worked out well.

Rain Man 01-05-2010 10:38 AM

It's going to be cool to see how this all pans out.

I was sure that my running game was going to be strong with Portis, Addai, and Leon Washington. I may have relied too much on Portis.

My defense was good, though.

cdcox 01-05-2010 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6410976)
As an offense, the Crested Butte-Holes had well over 7,000 yards of combined offense with a total of 46 TDs. That's greatness!

Did you sum your WR production with your QB production, essentially double counting them?

Also, did you fully count the production of each RB and receiver? Since many of your skill players probably played a bigger role on their RL team than they would on your AR team (given that there are only so many balls to go around) that is also probably double counting production.

Mile High Mania 01-05-2010 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6411157)
Did you sum your WR production with your QB production, essentially double counting them?

Also, did you fully count the production of each RB and receiver? Since many of your skill players probably played a bigger role on their RL team than they would on your AR team (given that there are only so many balls to go around) that is also probably double counting production.

Double counting is greatness... I was really unsure how to judge this one, so yes... I added up their individual stats.

cdcox 01-05-2010 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6411167)
Double counting is greatness... I was really unsure how to judge this one, so yes... I added up their individual stats.

Yeah, I've been struggling with how to do this (including adjustments for OL and defense) since back when we were drafting this summer. If we think about which team is best the way you've done it, the game will degenerate into standard fantasy football. Not a criticism (cause I don't have a better idea yet) just an observation.

Rain Man 01-05-2010 11:36 AM

Yeah, the challenge will be using stats as enlightenment but not necessarily judging on stats alone. Part of it too will be noting how many starts each guy got, since real-life stats won't matter as much if a guy's 4th-string on our teams (though it would be proof of strong depth).

I think a big part of it is going to shake out naturally as voters look at our lineups.

Mile High Mania 01-05-2010 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6411221)
Yeah, I've been struggling with how to do this (including adjustments for OL and defense) since back when we were drafting this summer. If we think about which team is best the way you've done it, the game will degenerate into standard fantasy football. Not a criticism (cause I don't have a better idea yet) just an observation.

Yep, I never really understood how people were going to 'grade' the teams.

There's no scheduling obviously, which means no head to head results. So, do you put together a panel that can truly grade the manner in which teams were constructed... being able to truly determine if the 4 people in a team's secondary really is possible or makes sense?

You know... it's very difficult.

If you go off of production, then yeah... you're going to look like fantasy football. That's another difficulty though and a reason I just combined the numbers. It's difficult to grade these guys "as a team"... my QB threw for a ton of yards and TDs, but my WRs/TEs/RBs didn't catch that many yards or score that many TDs, so there is an issue with balance.

I'm not sure what RainMan had in mind...

I was looking at a few teams and their starters (granted from an accumulated points/fantasy football perspective) and a number of times I said "who?"

I admitted early on that I tried to be reasonable in my approach, but I definitely took a fantasy football approach to building the team, especially since there were no contractual or cap limitations to building these teams.

Mile High Mania 01-05-2010 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6411331)
Yeah, the challenge will be using stats as enlightenment but not necessarily judging on stats alone. Part of it too will be noting how many starts each guy got, since real-life stats won't matter as much if a guy's 4th-string on our teams (though it would be proof of strong depth).

I think a big part of it is going to shake out naturally as voters look at our lineups.

If it's an "open vote" to the masses, my guess is that you will have a lot of people view the teams from a fantasy football perspective.

Rain Man 01-05-2010 11:45 AM

I'm pondering put each unit out for grading by the masses. Who has the best backfield, receivers, line, etc., and then putting the whole team out, just for fun.

I really think the simplest way is to put the lineups together, state who started how many games, and have people vote.

Maybe give people 100 words to describe their team or philosophy or something, too, just so people can highlight strengths for the audience.


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