Yes they are.

This + Yes.

I can't believe how many posters here are lusting for that 2nd round pick! Once again, the second round covers picks 33 to 64. 55 is way nearer 64 than 33. Hell it's almost a 3rd rounder! There's 210 point differential between our old 2nd and 55. That means if we were to at least reasonably replace that value we should ask for Atlanta's 3rd (155 points +/-) as well. The point is if we let TG go for 55 we are FAR FROM "GETTING OUR 2ND BACK"!!!! I am open to trading TG for a good price. But I'm also in the camp that believes TG has not shown any signs of slowing down and has a good 4 more years in him. 55 is too low.

Are you serious?

FWIW:

According to this Pioli has REJECTED the 55 offer.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4...cons-offer-for

Frank Boal of FOX4 in Kansas City is reporting the Kansas City Chiefs have rejected a trade offer from the Atlanta Falcons for tight end Tony Gonzalez. The offer was for the Falcons' 55th overall pick according to Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

*Boal rarely breaks news about the Chiefs and the rest of the mainstream media hasn't picked up on this yet so we're certainly going to continue following this story until we can get another confirmation.

Rumors have been swirling that the Chiefs were nearing a deal with someone to move Gonzalez. The basis of some of these rumors? Gonzalez cleaning out his locker.

We'll never know if the future Hall of Fame tight end was simply cleaning out his locker before the start of the Chiefs first veteran mandatory mini-camp on April 17th or if he removed his belongings with the intention that he wouldn't be back.

If the GM Scott Pioli values Gonzalez more than the Falcons' second round pick then it's unlikely any team in the NFL will match his price. The overlord of the previous Chiefs regime, Carl Peterson, reportedly pushed his asking price from a third to a second and fifth round pick at the trading deadline last year.

We can debate about Gonzalez's worth all day long but he's worth whatever any team will offer him. If the offers that came in last season (Eagles' 3rd, Giants' 6th) are any indication, Tony Gonzalez will not be traded by the Chiefs this season.

I don't think the Falcons have much of a shot to win the SB next year. Vegas has their odds at 25/1

Both Carolina and New Orleans are predicted to do better

That's reeruned. They made the playoffs with a rookie QB, you think they're going to go backward?

That is the way it works in the NFL it happens every year. You think the Saints are going to go 8-8 this year?

And if you think it is reeruned go talk to Vegas they made the odds not me.

The Saints did. Albeit their QB was a vet. Anything is possible.

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You really think odds are an indicator of anything? That's ridiculous.

The Falcons are better than the Saints.

At any rate, saying the Falcons are no closer than the Chiefs to making it to the Super Bowl is incredibly dumb. Regardless of what Vegas odds in April are.

I never said that I just said I doubt they win the SB this year.

You said they "don't have much of a shot to win the Super Bowl this year". That's nonsense. They're going to be the favorite to win their division. Save the Vegas odds, they don't mean anything.