Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6369388)

He did just that

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6369383)

. I lobbied for both Decosta and Polian and was shown the truth through conversation that neither even contemplated leaving either team.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6369338)

Decosta wasnt leaving Baltimore. Period. Might as well not even bring him up.

Chris Polian was gonna succeed his dad and everyone knew it. No way he was gonna up and leave that organization. NO CHANCE. Same as Decosta.

Tom Dimtroff was in charge of all those "drafts" that you hate and have labeled failures for NE. Why clamour for him anyway, he went the year before.

Pioli was the executive of the decade and if we passed on him, you know as well as I do that Clark would be burned at the stake, by now, for not signing him.

Its NOT Piolis draft record. Stop saying that, its not true. I dont like the guy, but be fair man...those drafts were Tom Dimitroffs. right or wrong?

You are right, he wasnt the GM for NE, he was director of player personel..meaning he was in charge of trades and free agent signings..you know, the part of the machine in NE that made the ship sail so well. The part that allowed them to stay competitive over the course of a entire decade and compete for the majority of the championships of that time span.

He wanted Clancy to be a position coach, which would be good for us IMHO. He was the defacto DC after no better alternative was available that fit perameters.

Keeping Krummrie was a GOOD decision IMHO, letting Gibbs go wasnt. I will eternally wonder why people hate TK so badly, I think he is a very good position coach. Who has he failed to develop? He has done a fine job with about every player sent his way. I would have prefered to keep Gibbs at all costs, but if he wasnt allowed to interview with Houston and we chose a DC that wanted his own staff, it would leave us in a rough spot as far as league rep goes with how we handle our coaches. Believe me, there is a reason that Gun was allowed to leave but Krummrie was retained and we tried to keep Gibbs.

I HATED cutting Pollard, but also realize he has reacted poorly to hard coaching in the past for Purdue and was suspended in college for blow ups at coaches, you simply cant have that in the NFL...should he have been cut and not just suspended as Brandon Marshall was? NO, but something needed done and we openly tried to trade him before cutting him. I will always look back at that as a monumental mistake by us that set us back another step on our journey.

I also have no response for the firing of Gailey, but I also am not privy to info that was included in the decision.

I seriously cant fault Clark at this point for going out and getting one of the better GMs available.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6369503)

For the most part, an excellent post. But I'm not sure why you are arguing facts with a knee jerk reactionary crowd.

Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 6369412)

Pioli - or any GM - would be a moron to fire a new coach after one single year. But especially the Chiefs. Between Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards, your franchise was a walking corpse. That isn't going to be fixed in one season. What Haley brought back to KC was someone on the sidelines who channelled the frustration that Chiefs fans have been feeling for at least a decade onto the field. He has been great for you guys in that respect. He cusses, he cries, he cusses some more.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6369697)

Well, Holmgren is going to fire Mangini. And I don't think Holmgren is a moron. If you think what this team needed is somebody to cuss, cry, and cuss some more, I have news for you. They needed and still need, somebody who can coach players up and make good sideline decisions. I've not seen anything like that from Haley.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6369711)

While I agree with Taco John to a certian point. Haley is channeling our frustration to the players, just we all do to the TV on sunday...

Also your bolded part? We have seen this in 4 years. People are acting like this is something new to the Chiefs...

We have be deprived of talent evaluation for years, coaching the day Herm was hired...

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6369711)

Also your bolded part? We have seen this in 4 years. People are acting like this is something new to the Chiefs...

We have be deprived of talent evaluation for years, coaching the day Herm was hired...

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6369697)

Well, Holmgren is going to fire Mangini. And I don't think Holmgren is a moron. If you think what this team needed is somebody to cuss, cry, and cuss some more, I have news for you. They needed and still need, somebody who can coach players up and make good sideline decisions. I've not seen anything like that from Haley.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6369731)

So what? Let's just keep doing it?

Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 6369412)

Pioli - or any GM - would be a moron to fire a new coach after one single year. But especially the Chiefs. Between Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards, your franchise was a walking corpse. That isn't going to be fixed in one season. What Haley brought back to KC was someone on the sidelines who channelled the frustration that Chiefs fans have been feeling for at least a decade onto the field. He has been great for you guys in that respect. He cusses, he cries, he cusses some more.

He should be given at least as much time to install his program as Herm was given. He's not perfect, to be sure. Hell, who knows if he's even any good? But whatever he is, it isn't Herm Edwards. And Pioli isn't Carl Peterson.

The disease that Carl installed into your franchise isn't going to go away overnight. To even ask the question about bringing Haley back shows a weakness of intellect to me. How can Whitlock not understand all the reasons why Haley should be given the opportunity to install his program?

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6369733)

Yeah, but Holmgren didn't pick Mangini, and probably doesn't share any of his philosophies.
Apples to oranges.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6369737)

Like I have a say so in the matter.... I seriously doubt Clark or Scott give a flying **** about what Reerun_KC says....

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6369745)

JFC.

The reasons listed to keep Haley--

1) Herm got three years
2) He's a raving lunatic on the sidelines
3) He's not Herm

Of course you want us to keep Haley, when we last played you ran a fake punt on 4th and 8 from his own ****ing 28 with our backup quarterback in a one score game.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6369753)

Advance the topic or grab a broom.