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-King- 06-21-2013 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9765660)
Big Ben threw 20 TD's and 2,869 yards in passes thrown from the LOS to 20 yards.

Tom Brady threw 26 TD's and 4,101 yards in passes thrown from the LOS to 20 yards.

Hell Brady threw 21 TD's alone on passes either behind the LOS or 1-10 yards out.

there's a reason you chose to use LOS-20 rather than LOS-10. You bunched in short and intermediate yards together. Brady kicked his ass in intermediate passes.
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Marcellus 06-21-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9765612)
Because Alex Smith sucks at throwing for a lot of yards.

That wins games, son.

This isn't 1995.


Thats worked well so far for Cam Newton, Tony Romo, and Matt Stafford.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-21-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9766634)
Not sure why we are comparing Alex Smith to QBs who throw for more 300 yard games per season than he does for his whole career.

Excellent new username. You are now rockin' it in Club Hate.

Hatah's gonna' hate, and winnahs gonna' WIN.
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NinerDoug 06-21-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9765481)
:facepalm:

Again, if a top end performance from Alex Smith is 232 yards, I'm not impressed.

232 yards should be an AVERAGE game for a top 10 QB.

There was a lot of back and forth between stats vs. wins, points, etc., pretty much without end on the Niners boards.

At the end of the day, I suppose, points win games. Alex had 13 TDs and 5 INTs in about 8.5 games. I suppose that would put him on a pace for about 25 or 26 and 10 at the end of the season. Decent numbers, nothing to get really excited about. And that was with a stellar defense and running game.

On the other hand, that was how Harbaugh played it. Singletary and Jimmy Raye's game was run, run, pass, punt.

So, still a bit of an unanswered question, I suppose.

BigBeauford 06-21-2013 01:20 PM

I think people also fail to mention in this whole debate, a qb who can move the ball downfield in big chunks, is simply more fun to watch. Who wants to see a qb throw the ball for 180 yards per game. Part of the equation is winning games, but being bored to death in consistent 10-7 thrillers isn't exactly getting my money's worth. Probably why I will always prefer watching Drew Brees play.

NinerDoug 06-21-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by qbsacker93 (Post 9767309)
I think people also fail to mention in this whole debate, a qb who can move the ball downfield in big chunks, is simply more fun to watch. Who wants to see a qb throw the ball for 180 yards per game. Part of the equation is winning games, but being bored to death in consistent 10-7 thrillers isn't exactly getting my money's worth. Probably why I will always prefer watching Drew Brees play.

Very good point. (As long as he's not throwing for 400 yards but getting picked 3 or 4 times a game.)

Sandy Vagina 06-21-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by qbsacker93 (Post 9767309)
I think people also fail to mention in this whole debate, a qb who can move the ball downfield in big chunks, is simply more fun to watch. Who wants to see a qb throw the ball for 180 yards per game. Part of the equation is winning games, but being bored to death in consistent 10-7 thrillers isn't exactly getting my money's worth. Probably why I will always prefer watching Drew Brees play.

So you probably love quarterbacks like Tony Romo. A guy that can dazzle with big numbers and throws downfield.. but will also kill your chances of winning with some turnovers.

SF had a quarterback named J.T. O'Sullivan back in... 2008, I believe... with Mike Martz as OC. JTO was the QB you allude to in your post. The problem with JTO was.. along with the chunk plays he'd make down the field, he would fumble the ball and throw very costly interceptions. So when it came down to it? JTO was a more fun guy to watch. Turns out JTO was a detriment to the team when regarding chunk plays vs turnovers.

Some folks prefer that fantasy football gaudy numbers... some people prefer the QB that plays smart, field position football.

With Reid on Alex's side, I think you will get a nice mix of both. You'll get a QB that will take more chances than you expect... but will also play smart football that won't cost the team wins.

It really just depends on the gameplan and team around Alex. If you have a kick-ass defense and STs? but conversely have limited receivers, OL blocking, or an offense in need of crawling before they walk? It makes sense that Reid limits the "risk-shots" of his QB and plays field position ball.

Seems Alex is being persecuted by some because he had a strong D and STs with SF the last 2 years. You want more yards.. but that wasn't Harbaugh's gameplan. He recognized that our offense was a work in progress... many players didn't know what they were doing... the pass pro OL was an evolving beast... the overall creative design of the pass game was the last aspect to evolve... and that wasn't due to the QB.

NinerDoug 06-21-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9767529)
So you probably love quarterbacks like Tony Romo. A guy that can dazzle with big numbers and throws downfield.. but will also kill your chances of winning with some turnovers.

SF had a quarterback named J.T. O'Sullivan back in... 2008, I believe... with Mike Martz as OC. JTO was the QB you allude to in your post. The problem with JTO was.. along with the chunk plays he'd make down the field, he would fumble the ball and throw very costly interceptions. So when it came down to it? JTO was a more fun guy to watch. Turns out JTO was a detriment to the team when regarding chunk plays vs turnovers.

Some folks prefer that fantasy football gaudy numbers... some people prefer the QB that plays smart, field position football.

With Reid on Alex's side, I think you will get a nice mix of both. You'll get a QB that will take more chances than you expect... but will also play smart football that won't cost the team wins.

It really just depends on the gameplan and team around Alex. If you have a kick-ass defense and STs? but conversely have limited receivers, OL blocking, or an offense in need of crawling before they walk? It makes sense that Reid limits the "risk-shots" of his QB and plays field position ball.

Seems Alex is being persecuted by some because he had a strong D and STs with SF the last 2 years. You want more yards.. but that wasn't Harbaugh's gameplan. He recognized that our offense was a work in progress... many players didn't know what they were doing... the pass pro OL was an evolving beast... the overall creative design of the pass game was the last aspect to evolve... and that wasn't due to the QB.

Actually he mentioned Drew Brees. QBs like Brees, Aaron Rodgers, can put up big numbers without being a turnover machine.

milkman 06-22-2013 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9764973)
What ever you have to tell yourself. You should go back and look at that run. Their defense was HORRID during the regular season, but was LIGHTS OUT in the playoffs. Do some research before you go to calling people a dumbass, or do you not remember that it was in fact, BJ RAJI, with the game clinching INT for a td that sealed the super bowl. And, IM the dumbass lol.

You said that the defense fueled that SB run.

Yes, the Pack D played well in those playoffs, but to say that they fueled the run is utter bull.

Aaron Rodgers had one of the greatest playoff games ever in that WC game against the Falcons, and he came up big in clutch moments in each of the following playoff games, including the SB.

The Pack D finally showed, but Aaron Rodgers fueled that run.

To say anything else is dumbassery at it's best.

Dave Lane 06-22-2013 08:31 AM

So if Alex does become a gun slinger type, are you taking the over or the under on 15 INTs?

What about 20?

I think he could easily beat 20.

Sandy Vagina 06-22-2013 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9768479)
So if Alex does become a gun slinger type, are you taking the over or the under on 15 INTs?

What about 20?

I think he could easily beat 20.

If gunslinger mode is engaged? then 15 sounds about right for the high end. Likely something closer to 26 TD and 11 INT.

If his targets are running their routes properly and not volley-tipping lots of passes, there won't be a large amount of picks.

-King- 06-22-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9768479)
So if Alex does become a gun slinger type, are you taking the over or the under on 15 INTs?

What about 20?

I think he could easily beat 20.

He wont be a gun slinger and he wont be asked to be one.
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mcaj22 06-22-2013 09:22 AM

if he was a gunslinger he'd be taking a lot of sacks dancing around that pocket waiting for routes to develop trying to decide if he has the arm strength to fit it in the window or not.

i'd rather him just get it out quick and throw 5 yard dinks and hope for the best

Dave Lane 06-22-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9768510)
if he was a gunslinger he'd be taking a lot of sacks dancing around that pocket waiting for routes to develop trying to decide if he has the arm strength to fit it in the window or not.

i'd rather him just get it out quick and throw 5 yard dinks and hope for the best

But if he stops waiting so long and just goes Farve lite what would you think his INTs rise to?

Mav 06-22-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9765446)
He threw for 232 yards.

If this is the benchmark for "WOW WHAT A GAME BY ALEX" I'm horribly disappointed.

They completely blew out the cardinals, how many ****ing yards did he need? He only needed to throw 19 passes in the entire ****ing game Clay. That's the point your dumbass keeps missing. When your team is leading huge in the second half, you aren't going to be throwing the ball all reeruned. Why? Because you don't have to.........That's the point you just wont get.
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9765481)
:facepalm:

Again, if a top end performance from Alex Smith is 232 yards, I'm not impressed.

232 yards should be an AVERAGE game for a top 10 QB.

Yes, a top qb, who doesn't have a top shelf defense, and the number one running game in the league. Both of which the 49ers had with Alex Smith at qb.
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9765493)
that was "good game" for him and he still took FOUR sacks

so even when he plays a great game hes still taking sacks like Damon ****ing Huard cause he holds the ball unless the guy is for sure wide open.

and that was behind a top 3 offensive line in the NFL. We have a rookie at RT that's going to have growing pains. Not to mention a first timer at LG (or a journeyman that hasnt played a full season since like 2010) as well and a Center that has yet to play a full 16 game season.

Dude might take 50 sacks this season

Sacks Happen. They happen to everyone, even the great Aaron Rodgers. He takes sacks too.
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9765612)
Because Alex Smith sucks at throwing for a lot of yards.

That wins games, son.

This isn't 1995.

Well, okay. Drew Brees lost a lot of games last year throwing for a ton of yards. Matt Stafford threw for a lot of yards. Yet the super bowl winner, in the regular season, didn't pass 4 k.....where was brady, Rodgers, and brees? Oh that's right, at home.......
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9765634)
The quarterbacks who pile up the yards are the ones winning games today.

Games. Cool, regular season super heroes. The same shit you pissed off malcontents said you didn't want, nor care about. Remember, sneaking into the playoffs just to get blown out. That's what you guys didn't want. Yet, teams that have good defenses and running games, are the teams winning championships. Yet, you want that GUNSLINGER. whoooo hoooo.
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Originally Posted by NinerDoug (Post 9767606)
Actually he mentioned Drew Brees. QBs like Brees, Aaron Rodgers, can put up big numbers without being a turnover machine.

That's because they have to carry their teams, and those guys are the exceptions......
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9768454)
You said that the defense fueled that SB run.

Yes, the Pack D played well in those playoffs, but to say that they fueled the run is utter bull.

Aaron Rodgers had one of the greatest playoff games ever in that WC game against the Falcons, and he came up big in clutch moments in each of the following playoff games, including the SB.

The Pack D finally showed, but Aaron Rodgers fueled that run.

To say anything else is dumbassery at it's best.

They had the leagues worst defense during the season, which was a huge reason they went into the playoffs as the 6 seed in the NFC. Their defense played lights out in the playoffs, which is why they won that title... Their key turnovers in the playoffs, is the difference between them winning and losing in the playoffs.
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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9768479)
So if Alex does become a gun slinger type, are you taking the over or the under on 15 INTs?

What about 20?

I think he could easily beat 20.

There is no way that he will pass over 20.... FIrst of all, Alex Smith is still going to rely on the running game. and why shouldn't he. Jamaal Charles is a top 5 running back. Ill say his max ints will be about 13......
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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9768519)
But if he stops waiting so long and just goes Farve lite what would you think his INTs rise to?

I don't think that Alex Smith has that in him. He is too ingrained in doing whats best for the team. Hes never going to become that guy. He may become more aggressive under Reid, but Brett Farve lite? Never going to happen, and if it does, it means that things have gone complete to shit for the Chiefs. And that isn't going to happen.


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