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Jakemall 08-19-2013 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9899235)
That inflatable toy has better hands than Baldwin, runs better routes and has a MUCH better work ethic.
At least he won't drop the ball when you hit him on the numbers. :D

RealSNR 08-19-2013 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9899196)
I don't know if it's "risk adverse" versus understanding that turnover ratio has a direct impact on the long term success of the football team as a whole. It was the single most important thing to the success of Marty Shottenheimer as a football coach. His teams did not turn the ball over and his defenses and special teams focused on getting it back.

Calculated understanding is not "risk adverse."

And while it's fun to watch the ball go downfield, go ask a Lion's fan if they'd take a little more sustained drives versus 50 yard jump balls that end in interceptions.

We've got a kick ass punter. I don't want one in my quarterback as well.
Not sure what Alex's problem was in the San Francisco game, but he needs to get the ball out MUCH quicker on hot routes.

WCO is all about timing, and I'm sure he knows that just because a guy is covered when you drop back to pass doesn't mean he won't be open when the ball leaves your hand.

Hell, a QB that everybody wants to compare Alex to in Rich Gannon didn't always wait for his receivers to get open. He MADE them open.

Alex has to do the same or he's ****ing garbage.

Mav 08-19-2013 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9899197)
You know what's funny? This board had a melt down when Vermiel passed on Woods in that draft.

:)

Of course, we ended up with Junior Siavii instead, so the joke was on us.
oops
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9899198)
I have no doubt dude has some serious issues, teams don't let first rounders go after one year very often, its almost unheard of actually.

But based strictly on potential and raw skills, i'll take the speedier guy every single time... look at a guy like Heyward-Bey, was considered a massive bust but now starts for indy, ya just never know.

The change of venue might be just what ol Jenkins needs, same could be said for Baldwin.
Just want to correct this a little bit. Heyward-Bey is not starting for the Colts. That would be Reggie Wayne, and T.Y. don't call me TY Hilton.

And maybe a change of scenery will do him well. I just don't see it.

ToxSocks 08-19-2013 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9899250)
Not sure what Alex's problem was in the San Francisco game, but he needs to get the ball out MUCH quicker on hot routes.

WCO is all about timing, and I'm sure he knows that just because a guy is covered when you drop back to pass doesn't mean he won't be open when the ball leaves your hand.

Hell, a QB that everybody wants to compare Alex to in Rich Gannon didn't always wait for his receivers to get open. He MADE them open.

Alex has to do the same or he's ****ing garbage.
Alex is exactly what we knew he was.

If JC goes down or has a bad day, this offense is done.The rest of the offensive players aren't good enough to mask his inadequacies.

DaneMcCloud 08-19-2013 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9899200)
Well that's a little annoying.

Next season's cap is going to be fairly tight, IIRC. We just traded for a guaranteed salary on a guy that we're pretty confident isn't going to amount to much.
This year is the year in which the Chiefs are tight to the cap. Eric Berry and Brendan Albert are both earning in excess of $10 million and Hali is earning $15 million. That's $35 million in three players.

Next year, Hali's number drops in half (IIRC) and I'm certain Berry will get an extension in 2014, lowering his cap number significantly. Albert won't be on the team and if he is, it'll be far less than $10 million.

BigCatDaddy 08-19-2013 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9899126)
ROFL

You're a clown beyond belief. I've said the second Bowe wasn't traded Baldwin didn't belong on this team as a starter.

You truly are an ape.
I'll give you a 2nd chance. So we can agree that if they traded Baldwin for AJ and AJ doesn't make the roster you are a dumbass, yes?

Mother****erJones 08-19-2013 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9899250)
Not sure what Alex's problem was in the San Francisco game, but he needs to get the ball out MUCH quicker on hot routes.

WCO is all about timing, and I'm sure he knows that just because a guy is covered when you drop back to pass doesn't mean he won't be open when the ball leaves your hand.

Hell, a QB that everybody wants to compare Alex to in Rich Gannon didn't always wait for his receivers to get open. He MADE them open.

Alex has to do the same or he's ****ing garbage.
I agree but we gota do better with blitz recognition and catching the football. He had 3 drops and Bowe on the play near the endzone. Bowe needed to catch the ball then run. Instead began to run up field while trying to catch it which led to the defender getting the better angle on the ball. Alex has to get rid of the ball by hot routing the D and getting it out quick under pressure.

ToxSocks 08-19-2013 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9899200)
Well that's a little annoying.

Next season's cap is going to be fairly tight, IIRC. We just traded for a guaranteed salary on a guy that we're pretty confident isn't going to amount to much.

It's small in the grand scheme, I guess. And it's probably worth the gamble. But now that there's another $1 million guaranteed tacked onto the 2014 cap, the opportunity cost on the move goes up a little more.
Jesus.

How bad does a guy have to be in order for a team to dump him one season after taking him in the 1st round.

If this is any indication of how bad our WR's are, we're in for another Looooong season.

Mr. Arrowhead 08-19-2013 12:47 PM
and its funny one of the "big plays" that people are saying baldwin made didnt count (behind the back catch against denver). I think we had 6 men on the LOS.

BigCatDaddy 08-19-2013 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9899271)
Jesus.

How bad does a guy have to be in order for a team to dump him one season after taking him in the 1st round.

If this is any indication of how bad our WR's are, we're in for another Looooong season.
I'm not too worried. Alice can't throw to WR's anyways. All check down to backs and TE's.

Mav 08-19-2013 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9899271)
Jesus.

How bad does a guy have to be in order for a team to dump him one season after taking him in the 1st round.

If this is any indication of how bad our WR's are, we're in for another Looooong season.
Hence the picking up of Knile Davis, Anthony Fasano, and Travis Stone Brick hands Kelce. Who I actually really like. Not sure why the dropsies.

BigCatDaddy 08-19-2013 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9899278)
Hence the picking up of Knile Davis, Anthony Fasano, and Travis Stone Brick hands Kelce. Who I actually really like. Not sure why the dropsies.
I wouldn't worry too much yet. TG was known for dropping passes his 1st year in KC.

Easy 6 08-19-2013 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9899252)
oops

Just want to correct this a little bit. Heyward-Bey is not starting for the Colts. That would be Reggie Wayne, and T.Y. don't call me TY Hilton.

And maybe a change of scenery will do him well. I just don't see it.
Fair enough, but i'm pretty sure he's the #3 and Luck targeted him a bunch last night.

ToxSocks 08-19-2013 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9899278)
Hence the picking up of Knile Davis, Anthony Fasano, and Travis Stone Brick hands Kelce. Who I actually really like. Not sure why the dropsies.
If this offense is in the hands of Fasano and Knile Davis, it's not going anywhere.

That's the problem. Those guys are role players, not stars. Neither of those guys are going to take over a game or cause issues for a top 10 defense.

He has to feed Bowe, because outside of Charles, he's the only reliable weapon he has, and through two preseason games it doesn't appear that they have that chemistry yet.

If he can't find his premier WR downfield then it's going to be like watching a Cassel led offense all over again.

In58men 08-19-2013 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9899296)
If this offense is in the hands of Fasano and Knile Davis, it's not going anywhere.

That's the problem. Those guys are role players, not stars. Neither of those guys are going to take over a game or cause issues for a top 10 defense.

He has to feed Bowe, because outside of Charles, he's the only reliable weapon he has, and through two preseason games it doesn't appear that they have that chemistry yet.

If he can't find his premier WR downfield then it's going to be like watching a Cassel led offense all over again.
We have junk for offensive weapons. Alex Smith is limited and can't do the things Bree's does with Graham


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