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Dave Lane 06-14-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 10690594)
If only there'd been a deep WR draft class.

Wouldn't that have been awesome?

Dave Lane 06-14-2014 10:04 AM

Bottom line with cutting Flowers, the Chiefs got worse, period.

kcchiefsus 06-14-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10690624)
Bottom line with cutting Flowers, the Chiefs got worse, period.

That's debatable.

Dave Lane 06-14-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10689509)
Someone cheaper, which we need to do given our cap situation.

I remember the good old days when Pioli had us $30 mill under the cap so we could sign some of the worst busts out there.

And the cornerbacks ahhhh Stanford Routt, Dunta Robinson, yep couldn't have used any of that money to extend Flowers and make his cap hit manageable. No sir.

Dave Lane 06-14-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 10690628)
That's debatable.

Nope.

-King- 06-14-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10690632)
Nope.

Why? The Chiefs could easily get someone to do what Flowers did last season. Be as good as Flowers in his prime? Probably not, but Flowers isn't in his prime anymore and doesn't fit in this defense. Team is no worse without him than they were last year.
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-King- 06-14-2014 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10690630)
I remember the good old days when Pioli had us $30 mill under the cap so we could sign some of the worst busts out there.

And the cornerbacks ahhhh Stanford Routt, Dunta Robinson, yep couldn't have used any of that money to extend Flowers and make his cap hit manageable. No sir.

Pioli is the one who extended Flowers. And his cap hit would be manageable if he was still good.
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milkman 06-14-2014 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10690639)
Why? The Chiefs could easily get someone to do what Flowers did last season. Be as good as Flowers in his prime? Probably not, but Flowers isn't in his prime anymore and doesn't fit in this defense. Team is no worse without him than they were last year.
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Until Parker, whose only real contributions were as a blitzer, or Owens, who was a jag on a bad defense, or Gaines steps up and replaces him, then this defense is worse without him.

That fact was illustrated in the playoff game.

-King- 06-14-2014 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10690646)
Until Parker, whose only real contributions were as a blitzer, or Owens, who was a jag on a bad defense, or Gaines steps up and replaces him, then this defense is worse without him.

That fact was illustrated in the playoff game.

Eh not really. Flowers played very well in the playoff game. But compared to the rest of the season, the good play was a fluke. Overall he was pretty terrible last year.
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milkman 06-14-2014 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10690648)
Eh not really. Flowers played very well in the playoff game. But compared to the rest of the season, the good play was a fluke. Overall he was pretty terrible last year.
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Flowers struggles last year due to a balky knee, which should be fully healed and ready for this season.

He will, I'm sure, battle some other injury, but unless it's a knee or a leg injury, which affects his quickness, the strength of his game, then he should be much the same player he was 2 years ago.

Until, and unless, one of those guys steps up, this team is worse without him.

mcaj22 06-14-2014 10:37 AM

yea but you're putting all your eggs in a basket on an unknown rookie in Gaines, 1 year sample of Marcus Cooper, and Sean Smith who just got a DUI so he's going to be suspended at some point.

This is no different than what they did with the o-line. Tons of inexperience and unknowns. Where between what will be our three CBs playing the most snaps, they have a total of 6 years NFL experience. That's playing with fire.

RealSNR 06-14-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10690662)
yea but you're putting all your eggs in a basket on an unknown rookie in Gaines, 1 year sample of Marcus Cooper, and Sean Smith who just got a DUI so he's going to be suspended at some point.

This is no different than what they did with the o-line. Tons of inexperience and unknowns. Where between what will be our three CBs playing the most snaps, they have a total of 6 years NFL experience. That's playing with fire.

The team is clearly counting on Ron Parker and Marcus Cooper as legit starters. They're great young depth guys with some real promising talents, but I'm nervous as **** entering the season with those two if Smith gets suspended.

If Flowers getting cut gives us the money to handle all of our extensions to players, then I guess we have to roll the dice a bit and make it happen. But I think this happened one year too early. I don't like it.

Dunerdr 06-14-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10690662)
yea but you're putting all your eggs in a basket on an unknown rookie in Gaines, 1 year sample of Marcus Cooper, and Sean Smith who just got a DUI so he's going to be suspended at some point.

This is no different than what they did with the o-line. Tons of inexperience and unknowns. Where between what will be our three CBs playing the most snaps, they have a total of 6 years NFL experience. That's playing with fire.

They aren't putting eggs in any basket. This baskets not going to market until Dorsey and Reid have the eggs they want worth the price they want. This teams in transformation mode. Get over it.

Rausch 06-14-2014 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 10690667)
They aren't putting eggs in any basket. This baskets not going to market until Dorsey and Reid have the eggs they want worth the price they want. This teams in transformation mode. Get over it.

This team is in 100% dumping $$$ mode.

It's not improving talent.

It's not in a "win now" mode.

It's finding the most expensive players and replacing them.

And Dorsey is doing a VERY piss poor job...

Pablo 06-14-2014 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 10690667)
They aren't putting eggs in any basket. This baskets not going to market until Dorsey and Reid have the eggs they want worth the price they want. This teams in transformation mode. Get over it.

Yeah, just be patient and we'll have a real contender here in 2016. Or 2018. Or 2020.

It's a process.


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