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Bowser 10-25-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123362)
I know, I definitely don't want to meet someone and them be disappointed. I put up one pic of me that is super pretty (I can be very photogenic) and then some other ones that are good but not amazing. I made one of my guy friends go through and help me so that I didn't just pick super flattering pics. I'm not trying to trick anyone.

You need to drop your shitty self image if you expect to meet anyone, online or otherwise. Of course you're not perfect, but let me let you in on a little secret - none of the guys you're talking to are perfect either.

Stop second guessing yourself and doing the OMG I'M NOT (whatever it is you think you need to be), and go have fun. Laugh, tell jokes, smile. It will all work itself out.

Discuss Thrower 10-25-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10123373)
You need to drop your shitty self image if you expect to meet anyone, online or otherwise. Of course you're not perfect, but let me let you in on a little secret - none of the guys you're talking to are perfect either.

Stop second guessing yourself and doing the OMG I'M NOT (whatever it is you think you need to be), and go have fun. Laugh, tell jokes, smile. It will all work itself out.

Agreed. You can't control their level of enjoyment.

KCGal 10-25-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10123373)
You need to drop your shitty self image if you expect to meet anyone, online or otherwise. Of course you're not perfect, but let me let you in on a little secret - none of the guys you're talking to are perfect either.

Stop second guessing yourself and doing the OMG I'M NOT (whatever it is you think you need to be), and go have fun. Laugh, tell jokes, smile. It will all work itself out.

All I'm saying is I don't want to put up the most amazing photos I have and then someone meet me and be like wow she looks nothing like that in real life. I don't think I have a shitty self image but I don't study my appearance and I freely admit I have no clue how men perceive me. I'm at least doing something about it.

The Franchise 10-25-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123390)
All I'm saying is I don't want to put up the most amazing photos I have and then someone meet me and be like wow she looks nothing like that in real life. I don't think I have a shitty self image but I don't study my appearance and I freely admit I have no clue how men perceive me. I'm at least doing something about it.

Are you putting up pictures that don't realistically show off what you look like?

KCGal 10-25-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10123408)
Are you putting up pictures that don't realistically show off what you look like?

No. They are very realistic and recent. I guess I'm always reading in here you guys feel tricked when you meet someone in person and they are dramatically different so I want to avoid putting up my most amazing pictures. I would rather a guy be pleasantly surprised than like ugh.

Valiant 10-25-2013 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123423)
No. They are very realistic and recent. I guess I'm always reading in here you guys feel tricked when you meet someone in person and they are dramatically different so I want to avoid putting up my most amazing pictures. I would rather a guy be pleasantly surprised than like ugh.

Just take a picture of you waist up showing your body and face, no awkward angles. Close up of face in one, show off your arms and legs.

That is all the honesty you need.

Buck 10-25-2013 04:46 PM

Shit is popping off right now. Text conversation just went south.

AndChiefs 10-25-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123423)
No. They are very realistic and recent. I guess I'm always reading in here you guys feel tricked when you meet someone in person and they are dramatically different so I want to avoid putting up my most amazing pictures. I would rather a guy be pleasantly surprised than like ugh.

I think the only major complaint is where a picture makes you look like you weigh 50 pounds less than you actually do. Everyone's going to put up pictures that they are photogenic in but a lot of them will take angles to make them look skinnier when they are actually very overweight.

Valiant 10-25-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10123487)
Shit is popping off right now. Text conversation just went south.

As long as we dont hear you belly aching that you lover her two weeks later..

Valiant 10-25-2013 04:50 PM

And that is true on girls getting way more messages, my friend gets 100+ a day. a ****ing day.

I think half of the attractive girls on the sites are men.

Titty Meat 10-25-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 10123492)
As long as we dont hear you belly aching that you lover her two weeks later..

LMAO

Buck 10-25-2013 05:06 PM

I don't. Shit I still have feelings for my previous ex. Her, nothing in that way.

Cephalic Trauma 10-25-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10122852)
I got rejected on a date invite by a more than curvy chick. That felt wonderful

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/sIG1qyxWl9I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

She's single, she's waiting. All you big guy.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123362)
I know, I definitely don't want to meet someone and them be disappointed. I put up one pic of me that is super pretty (I can be very photogenic) and then some other ones that are good but not amazing. I made one of my guy friends go through and help me so that I didn't just pick super flattering pics. I'm not trying to trick anyone.

Just put a recent non angled photo and just be honest about yourself. Most girls I have met have not been as advertised.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10122852)
I got rejected on a date invite by a more than curvy chick. That felt wonderful

Bummer. Never have gone for that type. Could help the numbers a bit. I have always been fond of the average/slightly nerdy girls.

patteeu 10-25-2013 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123423)
No. They are very realistic and recent. I guess I'm always reading in here you guys feel tricked when you meet someone in person and they are dramatically different so I want to avoid putting up my most amazing pictures. I would rather a guy be pleasantly surprised than like ugh.

There are probably some useful things you can learn about men on a site like this, but I hope it's not your primary source of info on the dating scene.

Good luck.

Titty Meat 10-26-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123362)
I know, I definitely don't want to meet someone and them be disappointed. I put up one pic of me that is super pretty (I can be very photogenic) and then some other ones that are good but not amazing. I made one of my guy friends go through and help me so that I didn't just pick super flattering pics. I'm not trying to trick anyone.

If they are "disappointed" who gives a shit? That's what meeting and dating people is all about. Dont worry about they think instead try to figure out what YOU LIKE. The beauty with internet dating is if it doesn't out you'll likely never see them again.

KCGal 10-26-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10123864)
There are probably some useful things you can learn about men on a site like this, but I hope it's not your primary source of info on the dating scene.

Good luck.

it is definitely very educational. It just makes you see there are options out there. Sure 90% of those options may be creepers but if i can meet a handful of guys and go on some fun dates I consider it progress. :)

KCGal 10-26-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10124613)
If they are "disappointed" who gives a shit? That's what meeting and dating people is all about. Dont worry about they think instead try to figure out what YOU LIKE. The beauty with internet dating is if it doesn't out you'll likely never see them again.

Its not so much that I care about what they think but I love under promising and over delivering, especially when it comes to men.

KCGal 10-26-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10124749)
Its not so much that I care about what they think but I love under promising and over delivering, especially when it comes to men.

Aw crap, why did I just type that on chiefs planet?

Valiant 10-26-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10124753)
Aw crap, why did I just type that on chiefs planet?

It is a good thing.

Hammock Parties 10-26-2013 12:49 PM

Girl just brought me lunch.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MrACoDWlcD...uy-nodding.gif

Pasta Little Brioni 10-26-2013 07:54 PM

You have come full circle from Meatpeaker

Dayze 10-26-2013 09:00 PM

'Oh..thanks! You brought me lunch.......wait...what's this? chips with queso dip and a pepsi?! YOu know how many calories are in that shit? GTFO of her you dumb bitch"

ghak99 10-26-2013 09:07 PM

Bible thumping is unattractive.

KCGal 10-27-2013 11:49 AM

Went on my first match.com date last night. The only glaring flaw is the guy is a KU fan, otherwise I had such a good time.

Planetman 10-27-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10128088)
Went on my first match.com date last night. The only glaring flaw is the guy is a KU fan, otherwise I had such a good time.

I see no flaws here. You'll enjoy his company when college basketball season gets into full swing.

Skyy God 10-27-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10123347)
That was kind of what I'm trying to say - it is insane the # of messages you get and I'm in my 30s so I'm not a young pup. Definitely men are focused on sending as many messages as possible.

A friend of mine dated a former VJ for CMT.... she received 82 messages her first day on Match.

Skyy God 10-27-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10122852)
I got rejected on a date invite by a more than curvy chick. That felt wonderful

Don't ask out curvy chicks (if that's not your thing). They're just as likely to reject you as attractive girls, and the rejection feels way wore.

Have you checked out Tinder?

Discuss Thrower 10-27-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 10129152)
Don't ask out curvy chicks (if that's not your thing). They're just as likely to reject you as attractive girls, and the rejection feels way wore.

Have you checked out Tinder?

Only get messages from SpamBots

AndChiefs 10-28-2013 08:56 PM

So I imagine I'll regret this...but...I met a girl at a Halloween party over the weekend but she left a bit early and I was unable to get her number before she left.

I reached out to a mutual friend who I got her number from. I'm going to ask her out either way but obviously it's a bit odd to have someone randomly call you when you didn't give them your number.

So my options:

1. Call her and ask her out. Could put extra pressure on her to say yes when she doesn't really want to. Positive is it will be viewed as a more assertive option over texting.

2. Text her and ask her out. Less assertive, less pressure on her.

I'm leaning towards calling but wanted some further opinions in case I'm missing something.

If we have a female that actually reads this thread your opinion is obviously welcomed. (KCGal?)

Buck 10-28-2013 08:58 PM

Might be better to try to find her on facebook, friend her, and ask for her number yourself that way.

I think both your options can too easily be read as creepy.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-28-2013 08:59 PM

Facebook route?

Pasta Little Brioni 10-28-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10136293)
Might be better to try to find her on facebook, friend her, and ask for her number yourself that way.

I think both your options can too easily be read as creepy.

This

Buck 10-28-2013 09:00 PM

Last 2 girls I've dated for any considerable time I just sent them a message on facebook asking for their phone#.

AndChiefs 10-28-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10136293)
Might be better to try to find her on facebook, friend her, and ask for her number yourself that way.

I think both your options can too easily be read as creepy.

Ahh yes that was the third route forgot to include it.

AndChiefs 10-28-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10136305)
Facebook route?

Seems to be the consensus so far.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-28-2013 09:05 PM

Go get ya some bud ;)

LoneWolf 10-28-2013 09:23 PM

Definitely call her. Tell her that you really liked how she looked in the slutty nurses costume and was hoping you could get together for a sponge bath sometime.

Cephalic Trauma 10-28-2013 09:26 PM

Do this:

http://thechive.com/2013/05/15/poor-...you-12-photos/

Skyy God 10-28-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10136452)

That's brutal.

Cephalic Trauma 10-28-2013 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 10136478)
That's brutal.

It's a tough read, for sure. But I just picture an awkwardly proportioned guy with an overbite and a jew fro and it's not so bad.

AndChiefs 10-28-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10136442)
Definitely call her. Tell her that you really liked how she looked in the slutty nurses costume and was hoping you could get together for a sponge bath sometime.

That sounds promising.

ghak99 10-28-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10136452)

LMAO

Guys are dumb.

Titty Meat 10-28-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10136452)

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ThaVirus 10-28-2013 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10136452)

From Aviatord in the comments section:

"I've got Asperger's Syndrome and this guy makes me look like Casanova" LMAO

Cephalic Trauma 10-28-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10136670)
From Aviatord in the comments section:

"I've got Asperger's Syndrome and this guy makes me look like Casanova" LMAO

LMAOLMAO

Pasta Little Brioni 10-28-2013 10:10 PM

Insecurity is a bitch.

AndChiefs 10-28-2013 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10136452)

Dang it he stole all of my best lines. :(

KCGal 10-29-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10136284)
So I imagine I'll regret this...but...I met a girl at a Halloween party over the weekend but she left a bit early and I was unable to get her number before she left.

I reached out to a mutual friend who I got her number from. I'm going to ask her out either way but obviously it's a bit odd to have someone randomly call you when you didn't give them your number.

So my options:

1. Call her and ask her out. Could put extra pressure on her to say yes when she doesn't really want to. Positive is it will be viewed as a more assertive option over texting.

2. Text her and ask her out. Less assertive, less pressure on her.

I'm leaning towards calling but wanted some further opinions in case I'm missing something.

If we have a female that actually reads this thread your opinion is obviously welcomed. (KCGal?)

It would be cute if you could text her and ask her some BS question about something you discussed during the party. If she responds them you would know she might have some interest then you could ask her out.

Normally I would say I prefer a man to just take the risk and ask me out via a call but since you didn't actually get her number directly from her it might be a good idea to go the text route first.

KCGal 10-29-2013 07:21 AM

I have date #3 set tonight! (With the same guy). On our second date he brought his air compressor because he knew my car needed air in the tires. That move was like a million red roses to this girl!!!

KCGal 10-29-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10136293)
Might be better to try to find her on facebook, friend her, and ask for her number yourself that way.

I think both your options can too easily be read as creepy.

I would be creeped out if someone facebooked me. I would prefer to be called.

KCGal 10-29-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10137177)
It would be cute if you could text her and ask her some BS question about something you discussed during the party. If she responds them you would know she might have some interest then you could ask her out.

Normally I would say I prefer a man to just take the risk and ask me out via a call but since you didn't actually get her number directly from her it might be a good idea to go the text route first.

If she seems interested because she responds to your text messages and you decide to ask her out I think it would be a good move to call her to do so.

DaKCMan AP 10-29-2013 12:30 PM

I have 2 first dates lined up for when I get back in town 1.5 weeks from now. May also call the last girlfriend (ended ~1 month ago) around that time too. We'll see.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2013 06:00 PM

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Mrs. Loopner 10-29-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10136284)
So I imagine I'll regret this...but...I met a girl at a Halloween party over the weekend but she left a bit early and I was unable to get her number before she left.

I reached out to a mutual friend who I got her number from. I'm going to ask her out either way but obviously it's a bit odd to have someone randomly call you when you didn't give them your number.

So my options:

1. Call her and ask her out. Could put extra pressure on her to say yes when she doesn't really want to. Positive is it will be viewed as a more assertive option over texting.

2. Text her and ask her out. Less assertive, less pressure on her.

I'm leaning towards calling but wanted some further opinions in case I'm missing something.

If we have a female that actually reads this thread your opinion is obviously welcomed. (KCGal?)

Call her. If she doesn't answer leave a message telling her how you got her number, when you met, and you'd like to see her again. Tell her to text you if she's interested that way it's not awkward for either of you if she doesn't.

Calling tells me you're really interested if you're willing to hunt down my number and call so I most likely going to check you out.

Bowser 10-29-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10137180)
I have date #3 set tonight! (With the same guy). On our second date he brought his air compressor because he knew my car needed air in the tires. That move was like a million red roses to this girl!!!

How many times have you said your first name with his last name to yourself?

Brock 10-29-2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10137182)
I would be creeped out if someone facebooked me. I would prefer to be called.

Even if you had mutual frenz?

Cephalic Trauma 10-29-2013 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10137182)
I would be creeped out if someone facebooked me. I would prefer to be called.

Problem is, if she doesn't remember him AND he got her number from someone, could be a recipe for disaster.

Titty Meat 10-29-2013 07:27 PM

My friend does this he adds girls on Facebook he's met 1 time prior. It's so embarrassing.

Cephalic Trauma 10-29-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10139589)
My friend does this he adds girls on Facebook he's met 1 time prior. It's so embarrassing.

Do you think calling after you got her number from a mutual friend is better?

Not saying you do, just posing the question.

lcarus 10-29-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10139589)
My friend does this he adds girls on Facebook he's met 1 time prior. It's so embarrassing.

I'll bet the NSA is laughing their asses off while they spy on him.

Titty Meat 10-29-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10139595)
Do you think calling after you got her number from a mutual friend is better?

Not saying you do, just posing the question.

Def. I think it shows confidence.

Titty Meat 10-29-2013 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 10139603)
I'll bet the NSA is laughing their asses off while they spy on him.

Who knows if he even messages them. I've had people add me on Facebook after meaning them once because I'm friends with a mutual friend then they dont say shit but give the occasional "like". It's just weird to me.

Cephalic Trauma 10-29-2013 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10139606)
Def. I think it shows confidence.

Well shit, I wouldn't do it. I think the ship sailed when he didn't ask for her number that night.

Get it during the night: Golden.
Get it through a friend: Eh, he might've thought it was more than she did.

Titty Meat 10-29-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10139630)
Well shit, I wouldn't do it. I think the ship sailed when he didn't ask for her number that night.

Get it during the night: Golden.
Get it through a friend: Eh, he might've thought it was more than she did.

There's a lot of factors that play into this I guess.

lcarus 10-29-2013 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 10139618)
Who knows if he even messages them. I've had people add me on Facebook after meaning them once because I'm friends with a mutual friend then they dont say shit but give the occasional "like". It's just weird to me.

I pretty much quit Facebook once I realized it was all women either bitching about minute shit or celebrating trivial shit. Congratulations...you posted a picture of some Hamburger ****ing Helper you just made. The only reason it has 18 likes is because 15 of those people are guys that want to bone you and 3 of them are girls that are as reeruned as you are.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-29-2013 07:58 PM

Sure, he should gave gotten it then, but it doesn't hurt to give it a shot.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2013 08:52 PM

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Titty Meat 10-29-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10139926)
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Dude the Gym one is the best ever

Eureka 10-29-2013 09:24 PM

Facebook is for creeping

Dating websites are for rebounds

Texting is like setting up the volleyball spike! (Learn that texting game/do's ' dont's

If you call just be sure to be confident that you already know her answer.

It's easier if you're a goodlooking guy but its not the ace card! Confidence is key! You got this, no problem! Easy peezy!

Cephalic Trauma 10-29-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 10140013)
Dating websites are for rebounds

Dude, you just insulted nearly everyone in this thread. I'm not into them, but nearly everyone else here is.

Discuss Thrower 10-29-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 10140013)
Facebook is for creeping

Dating websites are for rebounds

Texting is like setting up the volleyball spike! (Learn that texting game/do's ' dont's

If you call just be sure to be confident that you already know her answer.

It's easier if you're a goodlooking guy but its not the ace card! Confidence is key! You got this, no problem! Easy peezy!

This is your first post that I've noticed. I do not like you now.

ThaVirus 10-29-2013 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10139926)
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The rejection feeds my soul.

Skyy God 10-30-2013 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10139445)
Problem is, if she doesn't remember him AND he got her number from someone, could be a recipe for disaster.

He should just message her through FB. Not pulling digits in this day and age isn't a bad strategy.... it adds an element of second guessing on their part. If she's interested, she'll respond.

That's how I ended up dating a girl (22, college volleyball player) I met through a friend.*

*the friend had hooked up with this girl a few times but, **** him, as I'd tried to set him up a couple times, he wasn't equipped to handle her, and I deferred taking her home in front of him out of respect.

Skyy God 10-30-2013 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10130063)
Only get messages from SpamBots

Nah, there's real chicks on there (at least in my area). Went out with one last night.

KCGal 10-30-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 10140274)
He should just message her through FB. Not pulling digits in this day and age isn't a bad strategy.... it adds an element of second guessing on their part. If she's interested, she'll respond.

That's how I ended up dating a girl (22, college volleyball player) I met through a friend.*

*the friend had hooked up with this girl a few times but, **** him, as I'd tried to set him up a couple times, he wasn't equipped to handle her, and I deferred taking her home in front of him out of respect.

If you message someone on FB does that mean they can see all your posts? ;yes I am a complete idiot when it comes to FB). That is why I said it was creepy. I wouldn't want someone to see everything about me. If that is not the case, maybe FB is way to go.

KCGal 10-30-2013 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCGal (Post 10137180)
I have date #3 set tonight! (With the same guy). On our second date he brought his air compressor because he knew my car needed air in the tires. That move was like a million red roses to this girl!!!

So date #3 went well. He did say he wants to take his match profile down but he doesnt want to scare me and that he wants me to do the same. Our first date was Saturday. I was not ready for this. I'm trying to think it through because he is clearly boyfriend material and we have great chemistry but I think when I joined match I had it in my mind I would date and see what is out there.

Buck 10-30-2013 08:43 AM

You had 3 dates in 5 days? And he wants you to take down your profile?

If you're having fun keep at it, but this guy is gonna be a stage 5 clinger.

Valiant 10-30-2013 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10140514)
You had 3 dates in 5 days? And he wants you to take down your profile?

If you're having fun keep at it, but this guy is gonna be a stage 5 clinger.

I am not a clinger..

Wait.

Date four is tomorrow night and I have an engagement ring.


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