Before my time so I was unsure.

Just looked up Fuller, with the team for 3 seasons. His numbers suck ass.

Whoever was in charge of player personnel in the late 70's - early 80's sucked balls.

I get the concept.

You obviously don't get the RESULTS when it comes to Alex Smith.

Outside opinion please; am I wrong to think that the cheese has vacated Dane's cracker?

Lol.

I was doing so in tandem with asking on the board. This is a Chiefs discussion board, correct?

I think I read the other day that more udfa qbs have won SBS than guys drafted from any round other than the first.


So we got that covered

Yeah but JFC, you're talking about the greatest QB in Chiefs history that just happens to be a Hall of Famer.

Know the facts, Man.

As it stands today, at this hour, all we can do is hope that Bray is a rare NFL anomaly, and that he can become what we need him to be.

Because if we are to believe that the Dorseid subscribe to the "McCloud Doctrine", we will never see a high round QB on this team until the next Luck/RGIII lottery comes along.
And if four years is the max shelf-life for GM's who are struggling, our chances decrease substantially.

It would be justice if we shit canned that ****ing fat NE fraud and then Patriot Wayed ourselves (read: fell ass backwards) into a franchise QB.

**** you, Scott Pioli. I know you read this board you ****ing cocksucking piece of ****.

If this years qb class dropped because of last years etc, isn't that good news on Bray?

I mean we got a guy with a third round grade, first round talent as an udfa.

LMAO

Only one UDFA has won a Super Bowl ever and that was Kurt Warner.

You wonder that with the thousands upon thousands of members to this site, and numerous guests, that somebody knows somebody that would know if Pioli does or ever did read this board? I'd really like to know.

But plenty of guys past the current 7 round draft have won it

Unitas was round 9 (although pick 102 overall) so that is theoretically UDFA with how many rounds are in the modern draft.

The odds are heavily stacked against Bray.

We have an entire season of college football left to play, but is anybody REALLY all that excited about the 2014 draft class of QBs?

We're looking at a ton of QB-needy teams who figure to be terrible. And this year I'm sure they'll spend high-end draft stock on a QB, depending on how well these "last chances" go for so many of these guys. Oakland basically punted away their QB problems into 2014. Jacksonville, Tennessee, Cleveland, and Minnesota all need to consider moving on if their guys don't take a noticeable step towards improved play. I might just put St. Louis in this category, too, but only if Bradford puts out a clunker season. And then you have teams like Arizona and Kansas City with adequate stop gaps, but a need to invest in the future at the position.

Something tells me we're going to see the QBs come off the board even if the class is unspectacular. The perception will conveniently be that now is the right time to draft a QB for a handful of those teams that I mentioned above, and it will probably be mistaken as, "Boy, the 2014 class SUUUURE is a hell of a lot better than last year's!"

I suppose the 2014 class could actually be legitimately good, but we'll need to wait and see.

The odds are heavily stacked towards any QB in any round.

Bridgewater is a stud. McCarron is solid. David Fales is a nice west coast prospect. Tajh Boyd will get over drafted. Mettenberger is a Flacco type.

True, but considering only one QB (Warner) has ever done it, weights it considerably more against UDFA's than QB's that are drafted.

Johnny U.

Staubach.

Johnson.

Starr.

Look them up.

I see your point. But there is also a trend with the players you listed. All played their football 40+ years ago, except Johnson (although he pales in comparison to the other guys in this list) who did play during my time unlike the other guys. Warner is the only guy to do it in modern football and I still say the odds that a Superbowl winning QB is going to be a drafted QB, and a highly drafted QB at that, is much greater than an UDFA guy doing it.

The only other guy I can think of in modern football that came close to winning a title as an UDFA is Jeff Garcia.

LMAO

150,000 posts?

:LOL:

****ing tard.

I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but would you care to explain what happened?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...-buffalo-bills

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs...130429166/1004


Bills notebook: Passing of GM torch not likely in near future

Dated April 27, 2013.

I imagine the previous seasons of terrible head coach hires, bad QB contracts for bad starting QBs, and possibly some of the worst drafting and personnel development in the league influenced no part of the owner's decision to fire Nix, right? It was all EJ Manuel. The Wilsons, presiders over a franchise that has won a lot of games throughout history decided that EJ Manuel was an unforgivable sin, and cause for instant firing.

The NFL is so vastly different from when those guys were playing, I'm not sure that's very relevant.

Pretty much. And that first link that Dane posted suggests that there were rumblings about a change for some time.

We can agree on things.

Point taken. But then you still have late rounders like Mark Rypien and Tom Brady (6th), Brad Johnson (9th) and Kurt Warner.

After that, there's a whole slew of guys that were certainly talented enough to win a Super Bowl but were never on the right team, like Warren Moon and probably Tony Romo, Trent Green (8th), etc.

There is no one way to find Super Bowl winning QB.

on like fonkey donk

Geno's going to have the first ever Penii fumble to match Marky Baywatch's butt one.

that and two of the younger qbs that people think have a great chance to win this year, Colin Kaepernick, and Russell Wilson weren't first round picks either.

Geno wins 2013: 1

Alex wins 2013: 1

Passing yards Geno: 256
Passing yards Alex: 174

WINNER: GENO ****ING SMITH

SUCK ME

. Alex Smith won......that's ONE BITCH.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

wow... Bucs really screwed themselves with a penalty that gave NYJ a FG...

Jets won.

Geno!!!!

31 seconds left, no timeouts ball on the 20? Not a problem.

I see that. WOW.

Nice game by them.

Buccs still suck apparently.

Did you watch any of that game? NYJ receivers were open by at least five yards on most throws. TB defense sucks ass. It was like throwing against a high school team.

not even the same type of game. Alex capitalized on the plays he was given and his team had a lead the entire time.. but only a dumbass will judge a QB performance by yards. And only a dumbass will root against his team's QB to appear right.

Jets ****ing WON bitches.

Because of GENO.

I AM HIGH

Geno had a good game. No reason to try to take that away from him.

ROFL

Now who is making excuses fuk face. A fukn rookie with no running game or WR just played extremely well and won.

Suck it.

Watch the highlights. He throws lollipops.

HE WINS

WAY too early to tell.

Alex threw 2 TDs and 0 INTs.

WHO CARES

JFC, Geno won because of a stupid penalty.

Yes, let the butt hurt flow Stew. Feels good.

Geno was far from a dumpster fire today, that's for sure.

Against a BETTER team than the Jags.

I thought you were a HUGE Freeman fan ?

And Alex Smith beat the worst team in football, big ****ing deal, right?

Yep. He played decent for what has been assumed all offseason to be one of the worst teams.

Blow Out!

1-0!

LET THE ALEX SMITH KC REIGN BEGIN!!!

And because he had the presence of mind and athletic ability to escape and run down the sideline.

Sanchez would not have made that play.

Sanchez doesn't win that game today.

CALLING IT NOW!

ALEX SMITH WILL REIGN IN KC FOR THE NEXT 10+ YEAR!!!

HEIL THE MIGHTY ALEX!!! ROFL

DELICIOUS WIN GENO

http://i.imgur.com/xzVqgj3.jpg

GENO 1-0

GENO 4 EVER

Agreed. Sanchez would have shat himself.

If only he would have attended sanchez passing camp

Sorry. I watched Geno play against a completely inept defense. Receivers were wide open all day. TB will be lucky to win 4 games this year.

"Go jets woooo hoooo"

J E T S !!!

And Alex played against......?

So what, are the jets good?

I like how you only use passing yards, but leave out number of TDs and INTs.

QB Rating
Alex 94.4
Peno 80.6

Winner Alex ****ing Smith!

See how that works Claynus?

ROFL that's funny...

A much better defense than TB can put up. They absolutely suck ass.

Do you prefer to be Gogeno or Gojets? GTF out of here and go pursue your Geno utopia in a Gang Green forum.

*shrug*

Geno got the W. All that matters.

He also had 6 carries for 47 yards, while the rest of the Jets running attack disappeared.

Can't wait to watch his game.

Alex played on the road, in a state where the chiefs have struggled.

And demolished a team that a lot of people on this forum said would play them close, or beat them.

Eat it. 7 more wins fake fan, then you can go join a jets forum.

LOL at the Geno haters. First regular-season game ever and he still threw for more yards against a better team than Alice.

For ****s sake, that Jags team may not win a game all season. They were completely inept.

So did Alex Smith. Isnt that all that matters?

I mean the Chiefs defense destroyed them.

Suck it up suck stick.

Alex didn't have to throw tool. Didn't watch the game, or see the score?

28-2..........Think about it.

Did you see TB's defense? It was horrendous! A third grader can hit a receiver that's open by five yards.

I'd say Geno did more for his team than Alex. I mean shit, the Jets running game was terrible. Absolutely terrible.

Why bother? Hes a Clay slurper. Anything Clay says is gospel to him.

LOL, so, did we get the "best QB available"?