I wonder if coaches are telling theses guys not to bounced out wide or too far to avoid holds/reasons, because the last few years all our backs seem to have shitty vision .

Agreed. I like CEH a great deal, but he's not going to be Hunt. Hunt was special, especially in this offense.

Obligatory its Week 1 of year 2 and you dont know shit but cant stop staring at your pictures tits post

CEH’s vision and lack of explosive burst.

And Andy’s decision to run CEH on almost every first down… usually for minimal gains… just emphasized his struggles.

CEH had 72 yards from scrimmage and didn't fumble. That's a solid day.

You simply refuse to give up, good luck LMAO

Trent Richardson syndrome.

Chiefs were playing from behind all day, I’m not going to be worried about RB production in a game like today against a defense like that.

Yeah, he missed a few holes. I think he will come around.

He does this even when the back side has been cleared.

I agree. He’s not quite there, but he’s getting there. Once he finds his groove, we’re going to be hard to beat.

A RB who sees holes would have had well over 100. That's the problem.

He was missing the groove, and that's the issue because the holes were there unlike last season

I think one of his best assets is his vision but it was complete ass today.

I think that play they tugged him and put in Williams helped...

CEH will get there. Nothing vs. CEH, but I do miss this:


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I agree. He needs to improve his game. I don’t dispute that. His vision needs some work. I’m just not willing to give up on a player in only his 14th career game, behind a brand new O-Line, against a stout D. So, yes, I think he’s yet to find his groove, but still believe he will.

This felt like a Derick Gore kind of game. Shifty power football. Don't dance, just go. Clyde hesitated more than once.

It’s genuinely disturbing to wonder what could have been with him and Mahomes… Lord have mercy

Jamaal would have had 200 today. Damn I miss him.

He had nearly 20 touches. That's horrible production.

Point granted for ball security, though. That is one thing he is legitimately good at.

CEH did not look like he had the speed to get around the edges. He looked slow today.

I have to remind myself how fortunate we are (like, generationally lucky) to have TWO athletes equal to JC’s transcendent talent in Hill and Kelce.

But still, if ALL three were here? It would have made The Greatest Show on Turf look like the movie coming out about Kurt Warner.

Let's try to remember that he's playing behind a brand-new OL, three of which are rookies. It's going to take some time for them to become instinctual.

A hole is a hole.

He missed several of them today.

Clyde or Hellen Keller?

Should the Chiefs have drafted D’Andre Swift over CEH?

Add JC to this team and it would break Madden… simply shut it down, you couldn’t win with any other team

But for now we’ve gotta figure out how to fix Clyde

Oh yeah - in Pokemon every Pokémon in the “Uber” category can’t play in competitive leagues because they’re gamebreaking to the competition. An offense like that would almost have to be banned from competitive Madden for the same reason.

My worry is about CEH is that the Chiefs saw how seamless it was to plug in Damien Williams and assumed every back would develop that chemistry with Patrick. I think everyone is right, until CEH is trusted to be in the backfield with Mahomes on third and long, he’s not going to have much of a chance to develop that.

He’s a running back who is supposed to excel at receiving in perhaps the most favorable offense there is for that skill set and position. But he does next to nothing special or even above average in it. When we try to make teams pay for playing coverage with him running we mostly can’t. And we also never seem to run screens for him either. Not sure why.

When he first came into the league he was a patient runner waiting for holes to open up but he seems to have lost that. I’m guessing that’s because there were zero holes created with last years OL and he doesn’t trust this new line yet. A bit like Mahomes remembering to step up into the pocket now he doesn’t have to run for his life the whole time. I think CEH will be fine as the OL gels

Misses holes?????
CEH misses daylight. Like others have said, chooses to run up an offensive linesman's ass rather than simply take the open space. Also doesn't seem to like going left and won't accelerate that way.
Super mediocre thus far.

17 touches for 72 yds. Not great, not bad. But I'm good with it in a game like that. Playing from behind will typically hurt the running game. Ball security was on point though.

Rather have Clyde not losing the ball, than Chubb laying it down on the grass.

How many yards should Clyde avg. per touch?

I think a reasonable goal/expectation for CEH would be what David Montgomery did last year for the Bears.

250 carries, 1,100 rushing yards, 4.3 avg, 8 rushing TDs
54 catches, 440 receiving yards, 2 receiving TDs

He was a first round pick in an Andy Reid offense with Mahomes and a big investment in the OL. Those numbers aren’t unrealistic.

That’s a realistic expectation. He averaged 4.4 ypc last year and had a little over 800 rushing in 13 games last year.

the question is are the chiefs going to force the ball to him just because he is a first rounder? I am just glad he caught that lob from PM.

I thought he looked pretty natural when he did catch the ball, but left meat on the bone in the run game. I'm assuming we arent running screens to him because the line just isnt there yet. The browns were loading the box a few times, once on the really nice play action play. I dont think hes a bust at this point but he hasnt lived up to what he did in college or his draft position.

Don Bennett was bad

He wasn't good yesterday. There were a few times he was just late to the hole, like he's trying to feel his way thru.

I'm not going to use David Montgomery's 2020 as a measuring stick to what CEH's 2021 could be. That is just ****ing silly.

CEH faced one of the leagues best defenses, which it could very well being a top5 run defense at the end of the year. To which yesterday he avg. 4.65yds per touch. Ball security was on point. There is only so many stats to go around. Not every touch will be a 6-7yd gain. CEH did what was asked of him yesterday. Was it a pro bowl performance? No. But he did his job that was asked of him.

I'd still rather have CEH's 73 yds and no turnovers than Nick Chubb's 101yds 2 td's and 1 crucial fumble.

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4.65 yards per TOUCH is bad. You brought up their run defense and instead of saying CEH had 3.1 ypc, you went to his yards per touch and even that's not impressive.


And the job that's asked of him is to run through holes and take what the O-line gives him and then more. He wasn't even taking what the O-line gave him. If the O-line had a run blocked for 5+ yards, he would run into their asses for a good 3.

I started typing almost exactly this and noticed you beat me to it.

Ball security is good. I’m glad he didn’t fumble.

That said, the performance he had can’t be spun as “good” by any measurable stat. It was a bad day.

It happens, but this can’t be his average outing. If it is, we need RB help in the worst way and that was an awful pick.

I think he’ll figure it out. I suspect he’ll bounce back next week and get more productive. We’ve seen him have big games before.

“The heat, if that game is played in November/December…..that’s a 30 point Cleveland victory..trust me”

ROFL

What? The Browns defense is pure garbage

Unfortunately we always seem more impressed with the other teams RB than ours, Hunt always seem to make something out of nothing and CEH so far seems to end up making nothing out of something, how many times have been able to say "NICE ****ING RUN" since he has been here . I am still holding out hope for a breakout this year , time will tell.

Clyde is a bit streaky. Week one last year he was the leading OROY candidate.

We need to feed him the ball more, the problem with running the ball on our team seems to be establishing the run to start with.

He has a tendency to run directly into the middle of a pack of big ass lineman. If he just goes left or right, there is no one there for a big gain. But he's suppose to hit "this" hole so pile into the big pack of lineman. I hope he learns, he has talent.

We revamped the entire OL to add maulers in front of him. Plus we have an elite passing game with 3 HOFers to take most of the attention. CEH doesn’t have many excuses to not be productive.

It’s one game, so I don’t want to overreact. But if he isn’t highly productive in this offense, then we really need to invest in that position in the offseason.

Clyde just lacks the speed for busting big plays and yesterday it seemed there were times he could have bounced the run outside but chose to plow into the line for a couple yards.

Darwin/Damien/Darrel never seemed to do that either, wonder if the coaches don’t want them to do it , an cause holding issues with linemen maybe .

This cant be true. I was told by CM here that Clyde is an elite talent.

He’s nowhere near as good as Kareem. Man I miss that guy.

Having a true ass kicker who has excellent balance, power and receiving skills makes such a difference.

I’d even take prime Spencer Ware back

Take the ball out of Mahomes hands and give it to a RB? Ok.

It's vision. He doesn't really have it.

And was replaced by Rashaan Shehee and Mike Cloud. Those were some days.

Or power or speed or explosion or pass pro

I loved him at LSU. I thought he was going to be a star. I was wrong.

I never truly appreciated how much of a perfect fit for this offense Kareem was until he was gone.

Vision was supposed to be one of his strengths coming out of college. :(

Mental health is real guys

I'm going to give him more than one week with the entire new offensive line against a strong defensive front.

Were there times I wish he would have zigged left instead of zagging right? For sure, like 3 or 4 times. I think the chemistry will settle in there, and learn to read the spots better.

You know how a QB can get rattled if they have a shitty Oline for a while, and begin seeing ghosts where there are none? I wonder if it's the same thing with a RB. His acclimation to the NFL was the lineman getting smashed into his lap all season long last year.

I'm sure EB & Reid will go over the tape with him and get it corrected. This is the guy Joe Burrow called the "best player on our team" the year they won the national championship and had multiple first rounders taken. I think he'll come around.

It was. So was pass-pro and receiving.

WTF is this video? If that game wasn't in the heat, it's a 30 point Cleveland victory? ROFL Give me a break. :shake:

Yeah, I couldn't watch any more after he said that. What a clueless moron.

Are we sure about that? I mean, things change from year to year. They did make a lot of changes to that side of the ball. Can we at least acknowledge that they may end up being good this year?

I'm confused as to why we moved Greg Lewis from WR coach to RB coach. That seems odd to me.

Oof.

Don't do this. Ever.

Unless you have Jamaal Charles in your backfield, take the ball out of Mahomes hands as infrequently as possible. Even when you do run it, it should be primarily out of RPO situations where Mahomes can check into a pass to attack the numbers.

This team shouldn't be calling more than a dozen or so designed runs a game and all of those should be situation dependent (short yardage or to set up a pass look later on). Trying to 'establish the run' just to double-down on an iffy 1st round pick couldn't be more wrong-headed.

That's how bad teams operate. This isn't one of those teams.

We don’t need to plan to run the ball more. We just need to be more efficient when we run. If that leads to more favorable circumstances to run the ball (more 2nd/3rd and short situations), then I’m all for it.

Game planning to run the ball more isn’t smart with this QB.

We run to keep the RPO's and flashy plays effective. It changes it up. Clyde is fine.

I guess I'd be more concerned if we hadn't seen CEH have good games before. I think he'll be fine.

I honestly thought CEH’s 2 best performances (outside of HOU and BUF) were his last 2 games (NO and TB SB) agaisnt 2 of the best run defenses in the league, if not the best.

Something does seem off so far this year, but I’m not sure if it’s him, the new OL, and/or a bit of a scheme change in the run game.

I’m just going to be patient and wait a few more games.

I think that is for Greg Lewis to build up his coaching, it gives him a chance to become more advanced on more areas of the offense so that he may get an opportunity to be a coordinator one day. RBs coach learns more about the OL operations than a WR coach.

His vision is a concern. It's depressing. That's what did in Knile Davis.


Also I hate to keep bringing up Jonathan Taylor but for a back that was supposed to have hands of stone he keeps having solid receiving games.

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Gross.

I don't think a player just loses vision. It looks like CEH has a little PTSD from the garbage OL last year. Combine that with a very good Browns defense, an early deficit, and only one "normal" offseason, and it's far too early to write him off just yet. He also looked slow, so maybe he wasn't at 100% like he claimed.

If his production doesn't increase as the OL (presumably) gels, then we may be looking at a problem at RB.

Any turd can do that. Clyde is a 1st rounder. He needs to produce.

Kareem Hunt

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There were several instances just like that yesterday

While I'm still hopeful he'll get it fixed, its nonetheless hard to understand what the problem is... we've seen him play much better than this

This looks like the running back version of a Major Leaguer with the yips

Certainly does.

I just don’t understand how the guy looked so good his last 2 games last year against 2 very good run defenses, and now he just forgot how to play the position?

I kind of wonder if the two injuries (the one last and ankle in TC), plus the gallbladder surgery he had in the offseason, haven’t affected him.

Hopefully he gets better week to week and gets back on track with no interruptions.