I don't get it either. Only thing I can figure is some of the players getting mouthy after the superbowl win and calling themselves a dynasty. It makes no sense.

Pure jealousy, penis envy, boredom.

The Chiefs are objectively a classy franchise and likeable team (Reid, Mahomes, Chris Jones etc.), but people are desperate to hate something, so they focus on Mahomes' family (LMAO), or Juju's social media stuff (which is nothing but fluff and positive, and he's a genuine guy himself), or it used to by Tyreek, etc.

At least with the Pats and Brady they actually did cheat and benefit from insane luck and borderline conspiracy over the years. But even then the hatred is still rooted in them being great and everyone else suffering because of it. All the other fans suffer for KC's success.

Feels good.

I haven't really heard anything to lead me to the mentally weak part, at least not the players.... I mean, there are probably lots of examples of players saying they were crazy shaken up, didn't want to play, etc; after major injuries. That doesn't mean the Bills players wouldn't have played.

With the little info that's come out, it seems like coaches/GM might be white knighting them a bit too much... and yeah, they might lack leadership like the NFL is at the moment.

Too many cooks and giving everyone a say isn't great when you have a billion dollar industry to run. The NFL really should have already had a policy in place for something like this, even as uncommon as it is, and had the NFLPA signed off..... if there's a death on the field, do you suspend play or who approves/agrees to that... and if so, what's the policy for forfeit or resuming, etc.

I thought suspending play was the way to go and we can certainly evolve from "the way it's always been"... but it's not inhumane to plan ahead a tiny bit, either.

What do you find so ridiculous?

They postponed the game and as of yet haven't made any determination further.

They're playing all week 18 games.

That's what the NFL has done.

The only thing an objective person can criticize is Kelce’s behavior on the field. I can see how it would be really annoying to opposing fans. But it ain’t exactly uncommon in this league.

KC is far from an unlikeable team.

What is upsetting is that the order of games mattered and the league botched it.

If the Cincy / Buffalo game is played after KC (and KC wins) then the Bengals will not care…had the Bengals beat the Bills and KC beat LV then the Patriots had an easier path to the playoffs as the Bills wouldn’t care…had the Bills beaten the Bengals (highly unlikely but there was a slim chance, then KC would have probably rested against the Raiders.

Just terrible the league didn’t maintain the game order.

Sir, this is a message board. I’m going to need you to stop underreacting.

The Bengals would still be playing for the 2 seed regardless of what KC does. If the Bills had beaten the Bengals, the Chiefs would not rest anyone due to the fact that the Bills would still have a shot to lose to NE in week 18. These scenarios have been covered many times here this week.

Pure jealousy.
They wish they had Mahomes. Hell even Reid and Kelce. Our team is ****ing awesome.

SOB beat me to it!

We are 2 full business days clear of the event and nothing has been decided or even hinted at when anyone will know anything. The fact that the Chiefs could theoretically play once in the next 23 days and not play a playoff game yet OR play 4 times in the next 24 days and clinch a super bowl birth is ridiculous. We have no idea which situation is more plausible because no one knows anything. This is a billion dollar industry that probably thought they could find a magical solution to make everyone happy but when they found out they couldn't, they have chosen to just stay silent on the matter. It's wild you have teams playing their last game of the year not knowing what the stakes are.

Not to mention the fact that if you want to complain about game order--

If the Bills had beaten the Bengals and then the Chiefs lost to the Raiders, the Bills would have the 1 seed and wouldn't have to try against the Patriots, which would gift them a playoff spot. How ridiculous is that for the Dolphins and Steelers who are in competition for that last playoff spot?

The above a much bigger problem in the game order than what we're facing because - as mentioned endlessly - Cincy benefits massively from potentially having the 2 seed. They guarantee themselves a home game if they end up facing the Bills and have a very legitimate shot at hosting an AFCCG if the Chiefs slip up in the divisional round.

And now at least the Bills are forced to actually play for something this weekend regardless of how the Chiefs game ends up.

I'm confused. Is any team less incentivized in its game this weekend than it otherwise would be? The Chiefs - in a normal scenario - already would have no idea whether they would be playing 1 time in the next 9 days or 1 time in the next 15 days or 2 times in the next 15 days or 3 times in the next 22 days. Is the added uncertainty of your scenarios going to change the way they plan or prepare or play on Saturday, and if so, how and why?

Social media is pretty awful at times like this, because all the speculation makes it seem like the NFL needs immediate answers if for no other reason than for people to shut the hell up about what might happen.... but I do hope the NFL actually learns from it.

It's not the end of times that they don't (seemingly) know what to do right now, but really, they should have already known to a large extent how to handle it. Companies have entire departments dedicated to worst case scenarios that may never happen.

And hell, maybe the NFL did have a plan and for whatever reason went off script, or maybe this is the plan and one day we'll learn what happened and it'll somehow make sense. :shrug:

Why not? They should feel confident they can beat the Bills. They have beat us 3X in one year so far, twice in our house. Until we knock them off, they have every right to their swagger.

There will be plenty of kids wanting their shot at fame and fortune. Football won't go anywhere in our lifetime. Don't care how bad it gets. Kids want to play sports. Lots of kids out there.

I just cant believe they didn't already have a plan for a serious life threating injury to a player, a coach drops dead from a heart attack etc.

Terrorism. a fan brings a gun in and gets mad and shoots opposing teams fans or players. etc. etc.

I think the Ravens and their fans would be content with Jackson even playing at this point, not worrying about what seed they get in the playoffs. According to the Athletic Harbaugh expected Jackson back by now so things may be headed for an ugly divorce.

"He (Harbaugh) clearly thinks Lamar should be back. He's trying to stay out of it and take the high road."

FBI enters the chat....

I'm sure they have vague plans for this sort of thing on some level - covid naturall required them to go above and beyond in terms of thinking about contingencies - and the plan for multiple game cancellations was to add an extra week to the regular season and push the playoffs back a week.

As this is only one game and I'm sure pushing everything back is not ideal, they're in a fuzzier place. But it's not like everything is completely cookie cutter in this situation as it relates to the teams, the relevant seedings, and time of the season, etc.

The teams themselves yes want to win, but individual player choices can absolutely be impacted. Take Lamar and the Ravens. If they get a bye week next week they might just decide the game isn't worth it and let him get another week or two rest. Or maybe you roll the dice and play him twice in 9 days. I bet there are lots of choices that could hang in the balance of a random bye week being added to the schedule. To say this doesn't impact any strategy because the teams generally want to win is simply not correct.

ROFL
Those overseer's already know who bigredchief really is, my whole history, what my co-workers, neighbors think about me. And because of a leak, so do the Chinese. :mad:

I'm a supervisor at my job, I have 6 people that report to me. If I were to drop dead today, they would know immediately what to do there'd be a plan. I work 100% remote, if the VPN I log into shut down or like there was a regional internet shutdown, there's a plan. How the hell the NFL has no contingency for a game not being completed is beyond me. The NFL took days to figure out what to do if a blizzard hit one of the snowiest cities in the country. Remember the Chiefs Rams game in Mexico city and how long it took to figure out what to do if the field conditions were too bad to play on? It's insane how much shit the NFL just wings lol

Someone has probably made this point, but I’ll reiterate anyway.

Just because WE don’t know the plan, that doesn’t mean that the NFL doesn’t have a plan in place. It’s very possible the League and teams already know what’s going to happen and it just hasn’t been made public.

They might have already had all of the conversations and made all of the decisions that we want them to make. They just haven’t told us.

I assume that they’re waiting to release any information until Friday afternoon, so the news will move on once the Saturday games start.

I think that's absolutely ideal. Every team is similarly in the dark whether the playoffs will begin the following weekend as per normal or not. That seems entirely fair and exactly as the NFL - who wants competitive games - would want it, no?

Hey Bills fan - I spent all night with various size cylinders getting myself ready for your arrival. What the **** kind of bullshit bluster and sabre rattling do you pussies condone over there?

I WAS PROMISED RECTAL TEARING!

shut up i'm trying to lol over here

I actually think these decisions were made remarkably quickly. They were merely waiting on details of whether the blizzard would be bad enough/the field had been torn up enough (thanks, Shakira) that they'd need to relocate. Similar situation with our game against the Bucs earlier in the season around the hurricane. They had a contingency plan and were waiting as long as possible to gauge the path of the storm to make the decision. I think that's kinda the logical thing to do seeing as how they obviously don't want to have to re-locate these contests.

I’m glad they lost 4 straight SBs.

I'd much prefer we all just knew what the schedule was. For the vast majority of my life the NFL schedule was not in some state of jeopardy every damn year. It pretty much ran like clockwork, and everybody focused on the games and the outcomes rather than bizarre shit like should they/will they play, and if so - when? It's just exhausting.

My sentiments exactly!

But we've been in this state of limbo for 2.5 days? It's not like this has been hanging over the season for a sustained period of time. If they announce a plan, say, tomorrow, will anyone have really been any worse for it or disadvantaged by it?

For all we know, the teams already know the plan. I get that the plan may impact travel plans and such for fans, but the teams knowing is more important.

Not like they are in football, we love the game but don't be obtuse concerning the risks.

It's going to mean different things to different people for sure, but I know I would just want to go back out there and play for Damar. The NFL will have moments of silence around the league this next weekend, we'll all hope he pulls through and is able to live a normal life if medically possible, but eventually there's nothing you can do for him and shutting down your own life in the meantime doesn't help you get over his condition and it doesn't honor the sacrifice he was willing to make. If Stefon Diggs and others need more time, then they can take it, but it doesn't stop the playoffs from getting here, and if Damar was conscious and able to breath on his own, I would have to imagine that he wouldn't want his brothers on the team to stop playing on account of him. I don't know him obviously, I'm not on the team but I doubt anyone in Damar's condition would want someone to stop living their life in their absence, that's a pretty safe bet.

Put me in the "If you want to be the best you have to beat the best" camp. I'm fine with either option the NFL chooses; play the game by itself in week 19 or just cancel the game. What I'm not fine with is the NFL dragging its feet on making the decision. We should know by now what they have planned. (For the record I believe they already know what they're going to do; they're just afraid of the backlash that will come with either option they choose).

you're not a shit person

there are thousands of people in the hospital in cincy but we're supposed to put our lives on hold for this specific one?

OK LMAO

Exactly, the pearl clutching over this has been massively overblown and its just feeding on itself.

I bet there are many players who wouldn't say it publicly that are already tired of it all as well and just want to play football. This is a very important time of the season and it seems like all momentum has just slammed to a halt.

Well it seems to be at least trending towards sanity at this point. However 2nd best thing they could have done was called the game Bengals dub at 7-3. Because the Bengals are getting absolutely ****ed in this. They win, and they would have been 2 seed. Instead, Bills get to remain 2 seed.

1st best option play game a few days later.


3rd best thing is no contest because bengals lose out on the 2 seed but they get handed their division essentialy. However, Ravens get fkd but in the current reality they weren't gonna win that division anyway without their starting qb, so 3rd best option.

Play the game after this weekend? Ok- If Chiefs win Bengals have no Bye to play for and would get no bye week. They would be the only team in AFC to not get a bye.

Everything else was just a non starter.

Indeed. The hate for KC is strong in there.

Even if they don’t think he would you can guarantee he would want them to play in the playoffs, preferably as the #1 seed.

damar is conscious now, has no brain damage and his lungs are healing

we're back to football, and we will be celebrating the one seed

Football isn’t the highest risk sport when it comes to head injuries or life threatening injuries lol. If they cancel football because of that they will need to cancel quite a few more , I’m quite aware about the risks of playing sports I have suffered 2 subdural hematomas playing recreational hockey and have seen countless major injuries head/neck etc. I am not being obtuse but I am also not being over dramatic either.

I liked it more when FitzMagic got us the one seed

No no no.

That is the right thinking because that is how humanity moves. Literally in the history of anything good.

When tragedy or the unthinkable happens, you push forward. Sometimes you have a luxury of a pause and regroup period but eventually you push on.

Because they want their cake and eat it too. They want the Bills to not play the Bengals (as one of the two would have lost) because Damar, while still being rewarded for it. They only “fair” thing for them is to hook them up.

Am I missing where YOUR life is on hold? The NFL could be gone tomorrow and my life would ****ing move on.

Looks like Hamlin is going to be ok

KC got taken to OT by the Texans. Not sure that’s a good example that the Bills are done. They are still talented enough to win it all.

So how long until the league starts taking barbs from Bills fans and the press for 'not giving them a chance' to recapture the 1 seed in the event things go chalk this weekend and the NFL doesn't reschedule the playoffs?

I give it maybe 12 hours from the end of week 18.

His first words were probably "They didn't finish the ****ing game?"

I think it could be to a large extent though, basically an algorithm that walks you through different scenarios. In this case, one thing you're probably not prepared for is making decisions based off the indefinite questionable health of a player (if that's the caae).

And whether they tell the public not, having a clear process helps with competitive balance and coaches/leadership making decisions with complete knowledge of what happens if a game is postponed, if forfeit or no contest is on the table, etc.

it's not, thanks to the sanity of the ****ing NFL

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This whole thing has shown me I might just be a shit person lol. First thought was well that’s scary shit, I hope he’s able to recover.

Now I just keep thinking about how the Chiefs played the day after the Belcher incident and it’s time for everyone to grab their nuts and move on. This jumped the shark 48 hours ago.

Guess I’m old man yells at cloud guy now.

--If they were so concerned, why didn't they stay in Cincinnati. Instead of going back to Buffalo (I am an asshole)

cheffers

yes, the bills are done

I don't fault the Bills for what they did, but you can't have it both ways.

****ing GREAT news!

"Per the physicians caring for Damar Hamlin at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, Damar has shown remarkable improvement over the past 24 hours. While still critically ill, he has demonstrated that he appears to be neurologically intact. His lungs continue to heal and he is making steady progress," the team said. "We are grateful for the love and support we have received."

That is outstanding news.

Expecting some news soon either way now that we have the news about Hamlin. Slide it in later today and be done with it while everyone is cheering the good news.

Their whole season has been quite difficult. All pro safety has seriously neck injury and is out for the year, Von Miller out for the year and now this. Even the snow shit made things complicated for their travel.

It’s been a wild ride for them

"Now that we know he is ok and our PR hit will be much much less than it was, we rule that bills forfeit and Bengals win. Chiefs 1 seed, Bengals 2 seed, Bills three seed. Season on. Good day to all"

Are they willing to play the Bengals? Appears to me they want the win just handed to them.

Bills are going to have a team of destiny feel to them the rest of the way.

I hate to say it, but if they can rally around this I have a difficult time seeing them not winning it all.

:rolleyes:

Eh. They were looking pretty rough against the Bengals, at least defensively.

let's wait until we see if the bills can emerge from their crushing depression to play a football game before we crown them LMAO

The other injuries aren't even worth mentioning. Every team deals with injuries. Boo ****ing hoo.

True

They may need another 48-72 to process this good news. We all know you can’t expect anything out of anybody for at least a few days when they get any sort of update about a critical situation

Yeah, it was early, but they sure didn't look like a team that had much against Cinci.

Losing Miller hurt them pretty badly.

And Allen looks like he's settled into the player he was in 2021 who was excellent, no question. But he wasn't always consistent. The 2020 version of him was better and I was worried that perhaps 2021 was just a bit of a step back year before he regained the previous level.

That doesn't appear to be the case. He's definitely established his level of performance, but it's not quite where it looked like it might be after the 2021 season. He may catch fire and carry them again (and Diggs appears far more comfortable this year) but I'd be more nervous if he spent this year looking like the 2020 version of himself.

Bookmarking this for future use.

Lol that guy is wrong about everything sports related. It’s no coincidence he has the como in his handle.

Does that mean that we're clear to start making merciless fun of the extremely wimpy and weepy Bills fans now?

i'm still wary about posting my die hard meme on social media

is a dead mascot too insensitive?

Oh boy here we go. That destiny stuff is a hoax. The best team on that day will win. Also don't forget Hamlin was a solid starter on that defense. His availability for the playoffs is definitely in question

LMAO I don't think it's a question, per se.

Schefter just said on first take the NFL is considering moving the AFC championship game to a neutral site if it involves any combination of 2 of the top 3 teams (KC,Buf,Cin). He also said it is most unlikely they play the Cincy-Buffalo game.