That's just it. At worst, the majority of the residents apparently do not feel they would get enough of a benefit from it. At best, they just didn't like the Royals side of it.

People comparing the votes and funding of a need, public schools, to a want, private sports, and targeting the voters who prioritize those two things as they should be is asinine. They vote on each as they see fit and as they come along. Unless they're willing to foot the bill non locals should probably keep their traps shut about the locals making their own area's financial decisions, especially considering they haven't even cleaned up the property tax debacle, scandal, ineptitude, whatever you want to call it. If you want a bigger middle finger the next time around, everyone should keep talking smack to the residents about how they should be spending their money.

I don't really understand why people would even expect a county to compete with a state at this point either. Especially, when those resident can just drive a few miles and get the same experience for free. Kansas didn't even think about trying to ram the funding down a single county's throat, and for good reason.

I'm just kinda wondering why if the stadiums are such great revenue streams for the JaCo then why is it in such bad shape? Why should we continue to pay for something that doesn't have a good return? We would be better off putting the money into the stock market.
Is green bay thriving? Buffalo? Detroit? Cleveland? Maybe if a city isn't already a major tourist destination then perhaps a stadium doesn't help that much?

It's a tough to hear how great the stadiums are for the city when you take a look around.

What exactly do you think Kansas City would look like right now if there wasn't a stadium tax? You must think it would be a modern utopia. What type of flying cars do you think we'd have if we had saved that 3/8 cent tax on the stadiums?

With zero pro sports in town we would get so much more yard work done!

And you would be able to bowl at the best bowling alley's in the country!

Arrowhead may be seen as something their tax money got right. As time changes both stadium are too much an expense. The last vote may have said as much

February 11, 2024 could've been a great league night!

Out of area fans come to games as well. KC might not be on the bucket list for most people to visit, but by taking away two of their three professional sports teams, there is even less incentive for them to come. The ROI on what was spent on the stadiums from when they were built until now most likely exceeds the money spent building them.

Now why are they in bad shape and not generating more revenue? No clue. If the city/county own them then that would be a question that they would be better answering. I can say that governments at all levels mismanage funds and resources all the time. Might as well keep a tax that’s been around for a long time to upgrade stadiums that at least provide a distraction and civic pride to the residents. I might feel differently if they were introducing a new tax, but they aren’t.

But nobody would own BBQ grills, so there's that.

No idea.

But one thing I know for sure is that the stadiums do not bring in this unlimited wealth as some want to believe.

The chances that the Chiefs stay in Missouri went up considerably tonight. Mike Kehoe won the Republican Primary for Governor. Kehoe is Parsons guy and was the only candidate that signaled a willingness to use state money to keep the Chiefs.

I voted for him purely for that reason. I don't expect it to matter but at least it was a small reward for signaling that he knows the only issue I really care about.

This is making the rounds today and I've seen other KC reporters confirm it. Royals looking at a new downtown site.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Royals have explored multiple downtown stadium sites, with recent talks w/ the city studying the viability of Washington Square Park north of Crown Center, multiple sources told me.<br><br>Wherever it is, Mayor Lucas prefers to avoid another vote. More here:<a href="https://t.co/CSiRyNczEE">https://t.co/CSiRyNczEE</a></p>&mdash; Sam McDowell (@SamMcDowell11) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamMcDowell11/status/1823753521780736345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Big deal.

I really like the Washington Square Park idea. Still in the heart of the city. Adjacent to transit/hotel/visitor type things like Crown Center not far from Liberty Memorial. It does not put a bunch of people out with no good plan.

Makes a lot of sense if they can make the footprint work.

Figures Mayor Lucas wants to rip down George Washington's Statue. Fat Zach is all for also. makes sense.

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STL was able to fit Busch stadium into the same area (~540,000 sqft), so maybe they can. And I think the BCBS building will have to be consumed to get the square footage they're looking for, but that might be able to be done. :shrug:

I'd still like to see it on the river, but this isn't a bad choice either.

Sounds good. Get it done, Mayor Q.

I don't see BCBS giving up that iconic property off Main Street and next door to Crown Center.

**** this jackass Royals owner and his downtown dreams. If they want to take a park take Penn Valley Park. The off-leash dog park along with Pioneers Mothers park and KC Kickball club. He would have one of the best views of the City and all the room to do what he wants with his vision of an entertainment area.

Blue KC is moving to 1400 Baltimore sometime in 2025.

https://www.bluekc.com/press-release...-headquarters/

I thought this was the render at first and was going to say it looks terrible.


Then I realized it's the K as it currently sits and now I know why they need to move.

Well I count me surprised. Are they selling old property or using in another capacity other than corporate offices?

Blue Cross Blue Shield KC is positioning itself for a sale and trying to divest assets. They would gladly sell that brick and mortar location so they can get into a lease that is more attractive to a buyer.

Irony is this is the site Keitzman and WHB were pimping back in the day. It's actually a pretty good spot overall. A Crown Center rebirth would be a good thing.

I usually focus on the game being played on the field not the surroundings outside the stadium but by all means you do you.

The Star article explained it all. Blue Cross is wanting to sell. The city is willing. One other land owner for the site.

You are a truefan I am amazed

Just another person not knowing what they are talking about. Every KC discussion is filled with them.

Well when I want to know about a PBJ sammie or a banana cream pie you're the first person I will look to!

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I live in KC, not Studio City Ca.

What the **** is this? People who just want to watch a game are now being lumped into truefan status? That’s a load of shit.

I speak Valley Boy.

It’s not the desire to watch the game. It’s the choice of blue horse blinders.

The K continues to be well received among even the most traveled of baseball fans.

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Finally found the old plan from the early 00s for the ballpark at that site.
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Interesting. Never knew they already had a sort of concept for that site.

The more I think about this idea the more I really like it.

It is in the city but has minimal disruptions to things around it. It is transit adjacent in a lot of ways and that can keep expanding. There is a history of having events in the area and one of the biggest plusses is you have 3 land owners in the area who are open to playing ball.

Yeah, that site makes a ton of sense the more I look at it.

That was before they decided to remodel the Sports Complex vote in 2006. Kietzman and WHB were really pushing for it since they had some condos in the Western Auto building.

Yeah, it gets better the more you think about it. There are some existing parking structures in the area to support Crown Center already, and you can probably find a close-ish spot to build a new one, too.

There would be lots of ways to access the stadium, too - including the street cars. Decent highway access. And you can route traffic north, east, and west without adding huge or inconvenient travel times for folks.

You'd have to make sure to NOT direct gameday car traffic to Grand or you're creating problems.

Right on the light rail track, probably the most parking possibilities in the Downtown area, no more bitching about crap hotels, and even a little space for Sherman to include a venue of some sort. They just have to build over the tracks like they plan to do over 670. I like it.

The only downside is its a tight footprint. It would be the smallest in MLB I believe. But when you have all the best stadium architects in the world in your city, it can be done.

calm down it was a very gentle joke




Let me know if you need Universal Studios tickets

I like it, now let's see if we can get it done, then have THE STATE along with KACO work a plan that builds and epic domed or "coverable" stadium/multi-use facility for the Chiefs using all of the current complex's acreage.

The baseball team "in downtown" (where baseball should be played) and the Chiefs in/at a location that would allow for the tailgating tradition to continue. At least let us know exactly what our taxes would be buying.

Buddy who works in the Blue KC building has been adamant that this was always going to be the spot since the conversations started

You’re out of your mind.

Not really. If you say that you're paying attention to the game, that's fine. That's good! But it means that you will be doing that wherever the stadium is. But for the people whose attention wanders you're staring at a highway.

Compare that to a Wrigley Field or a Petco. It's kind of embarrassing not to showcase the city at your ballpark. Move it downtown, nothing will change for you, who pays close attention to the game. But for the casual viewer the whole experience will improve.

I love a nice skyline too but it's hilarious to act like non baseball fans are going to a baseball game to stare at buildings.

I don't immediately hate that plan and location. And it seems popular enough

Can the incompetent folks in charge actually get it done?

What? A downtown experience is entirely different than a highway and an Adams Mark experience.


I feel like people are arguing just because the Royals where it is is a shorter drive for them. Nobody can PREFER Independence / Raytown to a downtown ballpark, especially if done right.

Arguing in bad faith, telling us imaginary problems with parking and which direction it's facing. All of that will get worked out. I don't feel bad for people driving a little further, I have to fly 3.5 hours to see a game.

In all the games I’ve attended, I’ve rarely noticed or paid attention to the interstate. I think that’s because I spent so many seasons sitting in the outfield GA seats. But even today, sitting down low behind first base, the interstate doesn’t really register with me. That scoreboard is huge and takes up a lot of a fans attention.

Still, it would be nice to see something more appealing in the distance. Even if we have to move the George Washington statue to a different location. (cuz that’s such a big deal to absolutely nobody).

Agree, the view would be much improved.

Literally no one has said that the current location is better than the proposed location.

Western Auto building sign would be seen from center field. Downtown skyline behind left field. I would assume the scoreboard in right just because of distance and go block the views from Grand.

Well maybe I misunderstood your post.

Just like with the Chiefs going to a new dome location, you're talking about a serious overhaul of the fan base. Season ticket holders will see a massive roll over. The majority of current Royals fans do not give two shits about the view beyond the field. All those families driving in from the north with their kids just don't care. Anything beyond the scoreboard and fountains might as well not even exist. They traditionally carry the team through all those shit summer games because even the score doesn't matter. They're also not the type that would heavily support the off the field money maker many new ball fields lay their stake on so the loss is probably already factored in.

Either way, they can't outrun aging stadiums. I had forgot all about this new/old location. It's interesting, but the footprint looks awfully small. Maybe a rendering would help show how it fits into that space without feeling like a shoebox.

Are there any renderings of this? It sounds like it'd be better received than the last ordeal.

Most people today have no clue what Western Auto was.

I do think this is a pretty nice location. Washington Park has some sentimental attachment for me. When The Engineering firm I worked for was located on the Plaza and later 29th and Main I would meet my eldest Sis who worked at Hallmark in the the Arts Department. I'd bring a burger and Fries from Winsteads and sometimes Checkers. We would sit under a nice shade tree near Old George and have lunch. We did a lot of work for the Halls on the expansions at Hallmark Cards and the layout of skywalks around Crown Center.

My sis is no longer with us but I often think of those times when we were younger and healthy.

Just checked another site talking about the potential Washington Park site, and like clockwork, it is roundly getting dunked on for all the same lame ass reasons.

Parking! Gridlock! Taxes! Gentrification! Homeless! Crime! George Washington! Billionaires! Kauffman is great!

Seriously, these ****s need to get laid in the worst way...

Pushing back on a bad plan with unnecessary demolition yielded a better plan. It's okay to demand better. We're no longer desperate for whatever we can get in KC.

Better location I will give you but we haven't seen a plan yet. Stick to better prices for Route 44 refills and slurpy machines that are always ready buttercup.

Did this "plan" really change anything other than they aren't going to tear down some beloved local spots?

Quit blaming the tax payers that have to pay for this billionaire welfare.

Ah yes. From the same guy who thinks our airport is terrible.

Sorry if I do not look to you for takes on big civic projects.

Civic project lol more like line Shermans and his investor's pockets.

Stick to the Current and Sporting KC Soccer Mom!

Jackson County votes to put Chiefs only sales tax question on November ballot

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Jackson County voters moved a step closer to seeing a Chiefs only sale tax on the November ballot. But the question voters see on the ballot would be different than the proposal that lost in April.

Unlike the last vote with a deal in place and commitments from the Royals and Chiefs to stay if voters approved the tax, now they are admitting this is little more of a Hail Mary, but say as they try to compete with Kansas and the state’s star bonds package they are doing everything they can to try to stay competitive.

In the latest plan, the Chiefs would have their own tax. For both teams it was 3/8 cent sales tax. Now it would be a quarter percent, so slightly less.

This goes for 20 years, instead of 40. But there was discussion by those voting no, saying neither the Chiefs nor Jackson County’s Sports Authority are in favor of this.

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The state of Missouri needs to step-up and help JACO, if they don't they Chiefs will move because the Kansas offer, as an entire state, is far better than anything one Missouri county could possibly put together.

I hope it's written better than that article is.

Why the hell does anyone need to see the plan before parting ways with a tiny tax to have better for the only two big draws for anyone to come to this city?

Do you see the plan for the rest of your tax dollars or do you just pay the shit?

Vote yes! The teams are the heart of the city. You don't want to pay then move to Omaha or Little Rock where they don't have shit. Keep your tiny 100 bucks a year and **** off.

Welp...

Jackson County lawmakers reject Chiefs-only sales tax measure aimed at saving stadium talks

It’s back to square one for the Jackson County Legislature as it tries to figure out how to keep the Chiefs from leaving Kansas City.

In a 5-4 vote, the legislature rejected a proposal to place a Chiefs-only sales tax measure on the November ballot.

The quarter-cent tax would go into effect in October 2031 — after the current 3/8th-cent sales tax ends. This tax would fund improvements for Arrowhead Stadium and the Truman Sports Complex and would not include Kauffman Stadium.

It was a compromise that 1st District Legislator Manny Abarca IV, who sponsored the measure, hoped would ease voters’ concerns about funding a new Royals ballpark.

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Sounds like the Missouri folks are cool with the team moving to Kansas.

Welcome to Kansas.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s do it, KC!<a href="https://t.co/TgjI0HnucN">https://t.co/TgjI0HnucN</a> <a href="https://t.co/W2b5AQbGBV">pic.twitter.com/W2b5AQbGBV</a></p>&mdash; Chris Stritzel (@chris_stritzel) <a href="https://twitter.com/chris_stritzel/status/1828122378544828736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm surprised that one didn't pass.

Welp, when it's an entire state against one county in another state, these things will happen.

Oh well..

Dumb ass county

Nobody liked that mexican queer Manny's idea and shot it down.

Haha awesome **** manny Abraca

Move to KS and help them pay for it

Nah, I have big plans for the 3/8 cents I'm saving now.

If something is going to happen in MO it's going to be with the city of Kansas City teaming up with the State and not Jackson County, and probably a good thing Frank White is kept out. Despite being on different sides of the fence politically it sounds like Mayor Lucas and Governor Parsons are on the same page with keeping the teams.

It's cute you want to tell others how to spend their money queen. Why don't you move to KS? After all KC will be just another little rock Arkansas if the team moves!