ChiefsPlanet - Chiefs Geno Smith vs Alex Smith

This is an important part of all this. Everyone knew Geno had an arm and could do some nice things. It's about what happens when the shit hits the fan. Does he have the mental makeup to sink or swim... would he put in the work? ... and that scared the hell out of some teams.

Lzen	10-08-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10063449)

I don't think any of the teams balked at Geno for how he is when things go well. It wasn't that they didn't think he could throw TD and win games, but rather how he handles throwing INTs and losing. That's why he fell. Geno could still end up like Rivers or Cutler. But I'm with you that it was reeruned how many teams with QB needs passed on the clear-cut best QB in the draft in favor of sub-par talents like Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher. Those dudes are fine, and will be fine, but what the **** made Eric Fisher worthy of the first overall pick and not Geno?

I'm fairly certain that the Chiefs would have had to take Geno 1.1 in order to secure him. If we didn't trade for Alex Smith, everyone would have known we were going QB. The Jets would have traded up to either #33 with Jax or back into the first round for him.

Not that taking Geno 1.1 would have been bad. I would have JIMPd.

1.1 Geno Smith
2.34 Zach Ertz
3.63 Terrence Williams/Stedman Bailey/Keenan Allen

I think I'd have vastly preferred that draft. But I said that at the time, too.

As we all know, drafts can't be judged until a few years down the road. I don't think it's fair for the people that say Fisher wasn't a good choice just because he has struggled. First, he's playing on the other side of what he played in college. He also has to get used to the speed at this level. Same with Geno. Same with all college players. Review this again in 4-5 years and it may be a completely different story. Again, time will tell. I'm not discounting the possibility that Geno may turn into a star. But I think you guys need to not discount the possibility that he may not. Or he could be somewhere in between, like a Phillip Rivers - great arm but makes boneheaded decisions at times.

BigCatDaddy

10-08-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 10063439)

Uhm... how was it a bigger gift? <b>If Geno doesn't get that flag, the game is over</b>. KC's game was not over. In fact, the KC offense still had to finish out the 10 play drive and score a TD.. not a FG.. a TD. :hmmm:

100% clear now, huh? So after being good against a horrific defense, it's clear? Oh boy... you have got to wash your face, mouth, and eyes out from all that Choco-bukkake. :doh!:

Another asshat commenting on a game he didn't watch :facepalm: You were doing so well to.

Hammock Parties

10-08-2013 11:33 AM

If Geno doesn't get that flag he has 7 seconds to pick up 10 yards for a shot at a FG.

Yeah, he totally can't do that since he hasn't shown any ability at all this year.

4 months ago all we heard about was "Geno isn't NFL ready, he needs a year."

Yeah, he needs a year...that's why he just beat a QB who was in the NFC Championship game last year. On the road.

Keep moving those goalposts.

What you want to bet the Jets beat a horrible Steelers team this weekend? Oh noes, 4-2!

Lzen	10-08-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10063466)

No it's ****ing not.

The Chiefs had ****ing choked away the game to that point.

That penalty was a HUGE momentum shift. Credit to Alex for taking advantage of it, but whatever.

You're DONE discrediting Geno due to his gift, because Alex has received the SAME good fortune.

Who ****ing knows if we even get the ball back or if Alex has a drive in him or if he can convert on 4th down after that failed third down conversion.

The Chiefs/Titans game had plenty of time left for anything to happen and the Chiefs were only down by 4 points. In the Jets/TB game if that penalty hadn't happened by a completely boneheaded decision to hit Geno late then the game is most likely over and TB wins. Again, those scenarios are not the same thing. Just because you say that I don't get to discredit that win doesn't mean I can't talk about that game and give you the facts on the situation that you know is true. You don't get to decide your own facts.

BigCatDaddy

10-08-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 10063524)

The Chiefs/Titans game had plenty of time left for anything to happen and the Chiefs were only down by 4 points. <b>In the Jets/TB game if that penalty hadn't happened by a completely boneheaded decision to hit Geno late then the game is most likely over and TB wins</b>. Again, those scenarios are not the same thing. Just because you say that I don't get to discredit that win doesn't mean I can't talk about that game and give you the facts on the situation that you know is true. You don't get to decide your own facts.

LMAO Holy shit. There it is again. I guess if another TrueFans say it they think it might become true.

Lzen	10-08-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10063521)

If Geno doesn't get that flag he has 7 seconds to pick up 10 yards for a shot at a FG.

Yeah, he totally can't do that since he hasn't shown any ability at all this year.

I suppose that was possible. I thought there was less than 7 seconds but whatever. Perhaps Geno makes a play to get 10 yards. Perhaps not. 7 seconds but with how many TOs? Seriously, I'm asking as that was several weeks ago and I don't recall. All I remember thinking at the time is that without that late hit the Jets lose.

Lzen	10-08-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10063530)

LMAO Holy shit. There it is again.

Care to enlighten me?

Look, I don't really even care to get into this Geno vs Alex nonsense. But anyone who watched the end of that game felt that it was pretty much over if that TB player doesn't go brain dead. The PF penalty was legit, no doubt.

BigCatDaddy

10-08-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 10063533)

7 seconds to get 8-10 yards and no TO's. I'd say 50/50 shot they still win that game, but it was no where near a forgone conclusion it was over without the penalty, not am I saying Geno for sure gets that yardage and stops the clock for sure.

Imagine being a Chiefs fan and the Chiefs are in the same situation. 7 seconds, 8-10 yards needed for a 52 yard fg to win the game. Then let's say for some reason we fumble the snap on the play with 7 secs to go. Would you brush it off as well we had no shot at that game so no big deal on the fumbled snap?

HELL ****ING NO! NOBODY WOULD.

Brock

10-08-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 10063538)

Hey, another one that doesn't care about the thread topic but can't seem to stop posting in it.

BigCatDaddy

10-08-2013 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 10063538)

Really? I get the impression from reading comments here I was the only one that actually watched the game and understood the entire situation while everyone else saw a sportscenter highlight clip followed by a field goal kick.. That's probably why everyone is getting it wrong.

Teblowme

10-08-2013 11:45 AM

I think Marty Mornhinweg is doing a great job with that offense. Because they have a rookie QB and not alot of quality starters at the skill positions. The offensive line is ok, though.

Lzen	10-08-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10063563)

I watched the end of the game as they switched over after the Chiefs game. And I just watched it again. The Jets had 7 seconds left and no timeouts. He runs out at about the TB 47. So you guys are assuming that Geno would have been able to get at least 10-15 yards and and get out of bounds in under 7 seconds? That's quite a big assumption.

Edit: Wrong quote. Meant that more for the other Geno fans. You already said your peace on this game in the last post.