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suzzer99 01-27-2025 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 17940575)
Look who was wide open on that 4th and 5 play.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">no IDEA why Josh did not throw the orbit to Shakir. They&#39;ve called that exact route against the Chiefs on fourth down before! Gotta go to 10 here. <a href="https://t.co/2UyVIhMVSG">pic.twitter.com/2UyVIhMVSG</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1883708096708739290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Solak is getting dragged pretty hard for this take. The read based on Allen sliding protection left wasn't to look at Shakir at all. Even then, Allen would have had to pivot in the face of free rushers and lob it to Shakir, giving defenders time to catch up.

suzzer99 01-27-2025 11:20 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The play before the 4th down drop was equally as huge. <br><br>George Karlaftis makes insane tackle.<br><br>Could Amari Cooper done more here? <a href="https://t.co/SUyQ5qbHn7">https://t.co/SUyQ5qbHn7</a> <a href="https://t.co/nT2mNzdmPc">pic.twitter.com/nT2mNzdmPc</a></p>&mdash; Carter B ���� (@CarterthePower) <a href="https://twitter.com/CarterthePower/status/1883768414076047461?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Insane play by Karlaftis to almost tip the ball, then still recover and make a possible TD-saving tackle.

crispystl 01-27-2025 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17940610)
They keep saying Shakir was wide open, but he's never looking that way with what defense they thought they were getting.

Chiefs just won the snap cause they're smart.

Exactly. Josh had 1/10 of a second to get rid off the ball because we fooled him and won the rep. That blitz was a thing of beauty too.

ptlyon 01-27-2025 11:24 AM

I think Romo even have it a "wow"

DJ's left nut 01-27-2025 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17940610)
They keep saying Shakir was wide open, but he's never looking that way with what defense they thought they were getting.

Chiefs just won the snap cause they're smart.

Credit to Reid for feeling the other blitzer off his right shoulder.

He he gone straight at Allen, Allen might've come left and seen Shakir. But it looked like Reid knew he had McDuffie looping with him so he attacked the left shoulder of Allen and in so doing, cut off any escape back 'inside' for Allen which is why he had to go straight back and couldn't ever come back to the backside of the play.

Allen had no chance of actually looking left there.

It's a stupid take from Solak. Spreadsheet warrior shit that deserves to be called as such.

DJ's left nut 01-27-2025 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17940617)
Insane play by Karlaftis to almost tip the ball, then still recover and make a possible TD-saving tackle.

I didn't know who made that play in real time but I was going to circle back and mention it.

THAT'S a play that will be lost to history and was probably as critical as any play in that game short of the two 4th down failed conversions.

That play worked. A lot of credit to Conner for bodying his man there and forcing the receiver to cut back to the sideline. That little bit of lost forward momentum was enough for GK and McDuffie to recover and make a MASSIVE stop.

If he even gets that to 4th and 3, everything is different. Stopping him 5 yards short of the sticks changed what Buffalo could do there and likely made that CB blitz possible.

DJ's left nut 01-27-2025 11:32 AM

Yeah, the more you see that play, the dumber Solak's take gets.

The ENTIRE point to that blitz was to blow up that orbit motion without actually covering it. You can see McDuffie react to it -- the Chiefs didn't miss it, they simply knew they had the play-call made that would force Allen to make a decision before he could get back to it.

If the blitz doesn't get home, we're boned. But that's the nature of a blitz there.

We never covered Shakir because we never intended to. The entire plan was to leave him uncovered and simply get Allen's eyes off him with the pressure.

The only mistake anyone made there was Cook not getting his depth because he followed Hollins too long underneath (I think that was Hollins anyway) even while Hollins had a route that was taking him right to Bolton and Hicks. (EDIT: That was Cooper)

If that ball gets caught, it's ENTIRELY on Cook for cheating up for no real reason.

Hammock Parties 01-27-2025 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17940617)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The play before the 4th down drop was equally as huge. <br><br>George Karlaftis makes insane tackle.<br><br>Could Amari Cooper done more here? <a href="https://t.co/SUyQ5qbHn7">https://t.co/SUyQ5qbHn7</a> <a href="https://t.co/nT2mNzdmPc">pic.twitter.com/nT2mNzdmPc</a></p>&mdash; Carter B ���� (@CarterthePower) <a href="https://twitter.com/CarterthePower/status/1883768414076047461?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Insane play by Karlaftis to almost tip the ball, then still recover and make a possible TD-saving tackle.

REDEMPTION ARC COMPLETE

TOTAL ****ING LEGEND

DJ's left nut 01-27-2025 11:40 AM

Shit, Allen has Johnson coming clear on the short crosser right in front of him. With only Danna to beat in space.

THAT'S the throw Allen should've made. If there's any complaint about what he did there, it's that he didn't just float one out to the far hash, let Johnson run to it and then put Danna in a blender for a possible massive gain.

Man, that was a REALLY good play design by Buffalo. And any amount of blitz pickup at all probably buys Allen enough time.

That comes down ENTIRELY too protection calls. Allen didn't get it right and that's why they lost. If he identifies that blitz correctly, they have a couple of options available for massive gains and the throw to Johnson would've been as easy as breathing.

smithandrew051 01-27-2025 11:43 AM

It’s been said that PFF is bullshit, which is true.

I still like to look out of morbid curiosity.

Thuney got an 89.3 pass blocking grade. Seems right. He was great.

Creed got an 84 pass blocking grade. Agree.

Jawaan Taylor got 57 pass blocking grade? They just hate him.

Mahomes got a 69.6 overall. I don’t get that either. Unless they just hammered him for the sack and blamed him for the fumble?

Yeah, PFF is such bullshit.

Hammock Parties 01-27-2025 12:16 PM

Until August, old girl.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GiUamQ_W...jpg&name=large

RunKC 01-27-2025 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17940658)
Shit, Allen has Johnson coming clear on the short crosser right in front of him. With only Danna to beat in space.

THAT'S the throw Allen should've made. If there's any complaint about what he did there, it's that he didn't just float one out to the far hash, let Johnson run to it and then put Danna in a blender for a possible massive gain.

Man, that was a REALLY good play design by Buffalo. And any amount of blitz pickup at all probably buys Allen enough time.

That comes down ENTIRELY too protection calls. Allen didn't get it right and that's why they lost. If he identifies that blitz correctly, they have a couple of options available for massive gains and the throw to Johnson would've been as easy as breathing.

Brady had a terrible playcall there. He should have done exactly what he did on the previous TD. Crossers confusing the LB’s. No idea why he called a slow developing play there.

Or perhaps the orbit motion was the call and Josh just looked elsewhere?

Just goes to show that the RB mesh play to Perine was such a brilliant playcall.

htismaqe 01-27-2025 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 17940575)
Look who was wide open on that 4th and 5 play.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">no IDEA why Josh did not throw the orbit to Shakir. They&#39;ve called that exact route against the Chiefs on fourth down before! Gotta go to 10 here. <a href="https://t.co/2UyVIhMVSG">pic.twitter.com/2UyVIhMVSG</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1883708096708739290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hitting Shakir in the left flat sounds good in theory but the pressure was instantaneous and they flushed Allen back and to the right. No way he was making that throw in that situation.

Mecca 01-27-2025 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17940616)
Solak is getting dragged pretty hard for this take. The read based on Allen sliding protection left wasn't to look at Shakir at all. Even then, Allen would have had to pivot in the face of free rushers and lob it to Shakir, giving defenders time to catch up.

Geoff Schwartz is dragging him hard for it actually..

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Allen sees the free runners right now and people (one person) is saying he should throw it to 10 now. Lol. <a href="https://t.co/OHFjcGyzXF">pic.twitter.com/OHFjcGyzXF</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1883905251776073780?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mecca 01-27-2025 12:31 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This implies that Allen saw 10 and just didn’t throw it. He was fooled. He thought the Chiefs were going to have that covered and they didn’t. 10 motioned back and it was a clear zone indication. That’s not his first read vs zone. He looked right. Pressure immediately</p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1883726765060939899?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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