where is your proof?/Silock

:banghead:...wait a minute. only a cup?


....I've made a horrible mistake.

I've probably had every variety of Tazo, Itoen and Honest out there. At least every one offered at Whole Foods, that Organic Store off 470/291 and 70, or that occasionally makes it to Big Lots. Don't have a strong memory of Tazo's mint. I do like Honest Tea's First Nation Mint, though.

If I had to pick a favorite, it'd probably Itoen's toasted green tea, called Oi Ocha. It's so definitely tea, but the toasting of the tea leaves makes it different from any other tea you might get.

http://images.iherb.com/l/ITO-00139-3.jpg

This. I have no more than 4 ounces a day.

He's talking about liquid sugars, not your liquid protein. ;)

I already posted an article from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition doing a research review of HFCS. The evidence just isn't there. This article doesn't say if the diet was controlled for calories or if they just added extra juice to their existing diets. Both are huge factors.

Believe what you want, but avoiding fruit isn't going to make you healthy.

Don't be that guy.

Yep. That's why the blender is better. You get the fiber and all that comes in the flesh too.

Actually the paper is saying that people got fatter(or at least expanded their waistlines) due to drinking ~16 oz of fruit juice a day.

Eating fruit is mostly different because they tend to be loaded with fiber which slows down the digestive process reducing the impact of the sugar rush/sugar crash that too much available simple sugars cause.

When you make juice from fruits you strip out all of that good fiber that delays digestion. What you are left with is a drink full of simple sugars with nothing to slow down absorption. Sugar water is Sugar water whether it came from a fruit or HFCS.

Fruit drinks may have some benefits from the vitamins/minerals but they are loaded with sugar.

Hell here's a welch's grape juice label.

http://www.quitehealthy.com/nutritio...belL439621.gif

and here's the v8 label made from vegetables(I know neither is the best product but a decent example).

http://411nutrition.files.wordpress....breakdown2.jpg

The point isn't about avoiding fruit....the point is if you start to have discussions about taxing sugary drinks you can't just write exceptions for sugary drinks that you like.

If governments feel like taxing sugary drinks to try to fight obesity fine...but you have to include other high sugar drinks too like fruit juices.

The science and frankly the logic is there that anything liquid that is LOADED with simple sugars is going to contribute to excess calorie consumption and insulin resistance. Fruits aren't magical that you can make them into a concentrated juice and you won't get fat no matter how much you drink.

Vegetable juices are worlds better than fruit juices because they aren't loaded with all the calories...even though vegetable juice....like fruit juice...is a poor substitute for actually eating the servings of fruits and vegetables you should have. The very processing to make juice(at least on a commercial level) rips out much of the health benefits of the base plant.

That and 60 ounces of fruit juice will make you shit through a screen door. Beer much better.

Shortly thereafter they released the belief that sex sometimes leads to babies.

So what you are telling me is that if I intake more calories then I output then I get fat right? Thanks for the science there guys. JFC

Find me the paper. The article certainly implies that's what it said, but without the full study of what he was quoting, we're just playing a giant game of "Telephone" with regard to the content of the paper.

So are a million other things. That's not the point.

I'm not. That's not at all what I said or what I'm getting at. I'm not making exceptions for anything. I'm simply saying that one thing isn't entirely bad nor is it really substantially different from the other in the long term.

Key word: EXCESS calorie consumption.

This demonization of food and certain food groups is abso****inglutely OUT OF CONTROL.

I'll post this again, simply because it needs to be read. Even though it's mainly focused on HFCS, there's a lot of good info about other sugars and carbohydrates, as well.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/88/6/1716S.full

There is room in a person's diet for anything they want to have, whether that's soda, ice cream, fruit juice, pixie sticks or orange marmalade. It's all about portion control and understanding how these foods fit in to the larger picture of one's diet. I have serious issues with how this article/thread is worded because it assumes that soda is inherently bad for you and if fruit juice is as bad as soda, then it's inherently bad, too. That's just not true.

Overconsumption is bad. That's the devil. It's not the X food/drink.

I'm constantly surprised by whatever label I read out of boredom when getting a glass of juice. I often end up wondering "was that really good for me" after slamming it like it's air and getting another glass because the first one did nothing for me.

Simple calorie math says it's not, but until recently I wasn't get much fruit any other way.:shrug: