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Bugeater 11-09-2018 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 13880283)
Maybe I'm becoming cynical in my old(er) age, but drivers are paying less and less attention and I blame cell phones.

I try to never use mine while driving but rarely ride with anyone who isn't playing a song, looking at GPS, or texting/talking. Meanwhile every time I'm on the highway it feels like I spend the whole time avoiding people who are going dangerously slow, swerving into occupied lanes, or just acting like someone who has no clue what is going on around them. There is an accident EVERY DAY during my commute, and 5+ years ago that seemed to be limited to once or twice a week.

It's not you being cynical, it's the truth. It never fails, if I'm behind someone swerving, not maintaining speed, randomly braking for no apparent reason, they are ALWAYS ****ing with their phones. And besides the obvious danger involved, it plain makes me nervous following them because I know they're not paying attention.

And they're getting less selective about when and where they do it, rush hour on the freeway? Gotta get this text out! Pouring rain? Doesn't matter, this call is important! Hell we were following a semi truck on I-80 in western NE last weekend that kept creeping off the side of the road. When we finally passed him I looked up in his window and sure enough, he was looking down to his side. ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME, YOU'RE IN A ****ING 18 WHEELER. I should have had my phone ready and snapped a pic and sent it to the trucking company.

Shit is completely out of control.

Bugeater 11-09-2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13880203)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kc...ice/ar-BBPv62x

Speed blamed but 50-70 isn't a speed problem; it's an attention to the road problem. Driver of the van didn't get a statement (something tells me the police on the scene didn't press for one).

No evidence of alcohol - frankly that doesn't surprise me. I was never of the mind that the guy was out there driving hammered in a police van for an off-duty gig. It doesn't take much to presume that he was smarter than that.

But I'd damn sure like to know what he was doing. He clearly wasn't paying attention and the key question is why?

One thing I haven't seen addressed is whether they checked his phone or phone records. Seems to me that should be the first thing they looked at. Not that we could count on them being honest about it.

Someone mentioned you being a lawyer, so perhaps you would know if it's possible for the family's lawyer or anyone else to subpoena his phone and records?

HemiEd 11-09-2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 13880278)
Yeah, I had another student from that year that emailed me about it Sunday Night. It was tough. I had talked to him at Roe Park about a month before.

My condolences, I know it isn't family, but still a loss.


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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 13880283)
Maybe I'm becoming cynical in my old(er) age, but drivers are paying less and less attention and I blame cell phones.

I try to never use mine while driving but rarely ride with anyone who isn't playing a song, looking at GPS, or texting/talking. Meanwhile every time I'm on the highway it feels like I spend the whole time avoiding people who are going dangerously slow, swerving into occupied lanes, or just acting like someone who has no clue what is going on around them. There is an accident EVERY DAY during my commute, and 5+ years ago that seemed to be limited to once or twice a week.

True. I had a young lady making a left turn while texting yesterday pull right in front of me. Glad I was paying attention, it was unbelievable.

bowener 11-09-2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 13880283)
Maybe I'm becoming cynical in my old(er) age, but drivers are paying less and less attention and I blame cell phones.

I try to never use mine while driving but rarely ride with anyone who isn't playing a song, looking at GPS, or texting/talking. Meanwhile every time I'm on the highway it feels like I spend the whole time avoiding people who are going dangerously slow, swerving into occupied lanes, or just acting like someone who has no clue what is going on around them. There is an accident EVERY DAY during my commute, and 5+ years ago that seemed to be limited to once or twice a week.

With cops, it's not just their cell phones either. They are constantly on their laptops. I get that it might be pertinent to their job, but it doesn't make it any more responsible. Hell, the other day I watched a cop driving down a busy city street with a cell phone up to his ear with his left hand, and his right hand was typing away on his laptop. Use speakerphone, dick head.

cooper barrett 11-09-2018 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 13880628)
With cops, it's not just their cell phones either. They are constantly on their laptops. I get that it might be pertinent to their job, but it doesn't make it any more responsible. Hell, the other day I watched a cop driving down a busy city street with a cell phone up to his ear with his left hand, and his right hand was typing away on his laptop. Use speakerphone, dick head.

They are highly trained professionals who... **** it, they are idiots when it comes to anything but the power of their jobs.

If you saw an Comcast driver doing the same thing you would be making calls and screaming bloody hell.

See the cop burn up his chase car in the "fails" thread? Idiots

DJ's left nut 11-09-2018 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 13880412)
One thing I haven't seen addressed is whether they checked his phone or phone records. Seems to me that should be the first thing they looked at. Not that we could count on them being honest about it.

Someone mentioned you being a lawyer, so perhaps you would know if it's possible for the family's lawyer or anyone else to subpoena his phone and records?

Generally yes, those would be absolutely discoverable. There are always complications suing the police due to some immunity issues, but I don't see those being insurmountable.

If he was on his phone, it'll get out.

Flying High D 11-09-2018 05:28 PM

Highway Patrol are the elite and they start off at $42,000 a year. Police and sheriff deputies are much less than that. I don’t think they are getting to many scholars.

cooper barrett 11-09-2018 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 13880758)
Highway Patrol are the elite and they start off at $42,000 a year. Police and sheriff deputies are much less than that. I don’t think they are getting to many scholars.

I say BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KCMO:
Base pay, no experience or college ...Annual $43,404



http://kcmo.gov/police/careers-emplo...y-information/

OPKS same money
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Entry-level police officers earn $3,590 per month. Officers can earn up to $6,287 per month after 12 years in the salary step plan, and salary for lateral entry is considered based on previous experience. Overland Park offers health and dental insurance and defined benefit and defined contribution retirement plans
KS HIPO wages $42806 based on 40 hour weeks..

DenverChief 11-09-2018 06:51 PM

**** Tha Police! Am I doing it rite?

Flying High D 11-09-2018 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13880812)
I say BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KCMO:
Base pay, no experience or college ...Annual $43,404



http://kcmo.gov/police/careers-emplo...y-information/

OPKS same money


KS HIPO wages $42806 based on 40 hour weeks..

Big Gold.

cooper barrett 11-09-2018 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 13880903)
Big Gold.

FOS U R

TribalElder 11-09-2018 10:21 PM

don't they usually just murder people and then get suspended with pay?

also, anyone know what ever happened to this guy
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QoSOEtzWPlU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

he probably got suspended with pay

cooper barrett 11-09-2018 10:43 PM

I used to live close to there. Peculiar cops were worthless, they pulled anything over that moved past 9pm. Driving home from the local bar was a horror story.

I'd say he foumd work elsewhere... http://www.cityofpeculiar.com/pview....d=7202&catID=0



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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 13881152)
don't they usually just murder people and then get suspended with pay?

also, anyone know what ever happened to this guy
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QoSOEtzWPlU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

he probably got suspended with pay


TribalElder 11-09-2018 10:48 PM

I remember the long version of the video showed a bunch of other cops showing up offering to straighten the handlebars and give him a band aid ROFL

Bugeater 11-09-2018 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 13880894)
**** Tha Police! Am I doing it rite?

FTR, I'm not that guy by any means. But they need to be subject to the same laws as they enforce and face the same consequences when they violate them as the general public does.


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