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Easy 6 11-05-2011 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8081376)
I totally disagree.

Eli isn't 'great', but he is good. A top 10 QB, IMO. Cassel is a top 20 QB, IMO.

I figure Cassel is around 15-18. I figure that Eli is 7-10.

But, he obviously is second to his big brother.... and well below the HOF category.

A quick look at nfl.com reveals you to be right, he's having a pretty good year.

Must be a personal bias, i've just never cared for his play.

Thig Lyfe 11-05-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8081376)
I totally disagree.

Eli isn't 'great', but he is good. A top 10 QB, IMO. Cassel is a top 20 QB, IMO.

I figure Cassel is around 15-18. I figure that Eli is 7-10.

But, he obviously is second to his big brother.... and well below the HOF category.

Plz name the 14-17+ quarterbacks Cassel is somehow better than

SenselessChiefsFan 11-05-2011 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 8081423)
Plz name the 14-17+ quarterbacks Cassel is somehow better than

Tebow/Orton
Palmer/Campbell
Gabbert
Jackson
Sanchez
Henne/Moore
McNabb/Ponder
Hasselbeck
Kolb
Grossman
Colt McCoy
Painter


And, you can argue that this year, he is better than Flacco, Freeman, Bradford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Tony Romo.


The reality is that over the last two years, he has been solidly around the middle of the pack. Not great, not horrible, just average to above average.

He had trouble adjusting to the team in 2009 and the Chiefs had very little talent. But, in 2010 and 2011, he has played much better than he gets credit for here. And, he looks better and better.

Cassel is 28-26 as a starter. Considering the 2009 team he got stuck with, it is a very respectable record.

I am not saying he is a top 5 guy, but he is better than most on this board realize.

FAX 11-05-2011 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8080544)
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He looks pretty good on some of these. The thing that stands out to me about him is, he has good pocket presence, he's extremely fast, and looks to have solid ball placement.

Good footwork, apparently. And it looks like he never incompletes a pass.

FAX

FAX 11-05-2011 09:48 PM

After watching that awesome video thing, a question comes to mind.

You don't see too many NFL quarterbacks roll out these days. It's mainly straight drop-back passing. I read about how Stram invented the "moving pocket" with Lenny that helped them win a lot of games. I wonder why teams don't roll out much anymore?

FAX

SenselessChiefsFan 11-05-2011 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8081911)
After watching that awesome video thing, a question comes to mind.

You don't see too many NFL quarterbacks roll out these days. It's mainly straight drop-back passing. I read about how Stram invented the "moving pocket" with Lenny that helped them win a lot of games. I wonder why teams don't roll out much anymore?

FAX

Some do, but for the most part, the teams invest millions and millions of dollars in QB's. Rolling them out often gives the defense much more of a free shot on them.

jd1020 11-06-2011 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 8081108)
Nope, you're wrong.

He's a redshirt junior, meaning he already used his redshirt. So he only has the rest of this year and next year left.

Then please explain how Luck, a rSr, could stay at Stanford for another year. You don't "use up" your redshirt year. Redshirting someone is removing them from competition for 1 whole year. They are only allowed to suit up and not play in competition. A player has 4 years of eligibility. 1 year of eligibility is used up if that player steps on the field 1 time during a game. If they don't step out on to that field they have, get this..., 4 years of eligibility left even though they were on the team.

milkman 11-06-2011 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8081911)
After watching that awesome video thing, a question comes to mind.

You don't see too many NFL quarterbacks roll out these days. It's mainly straight drop-back passing. I read about how Stram invented the "moving pocket" with Lenny that helped them win a lot of games. I wonder why teams don't roll out much anymore?

FAX

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8082125)
Some do, but for the most part, the teams invest millions and millions of dollars in QB's. Rolling them out often gives the defense much more of a free shot on them.

The moving pocket is not the same thing as the QB rolling out.

While Lenny did roll out in the moving pocket, the protection rolled out with him, hence the name.

The protection on the QBs rolling out today is not rolling with him.

They'll have a lineman or two move with him, but the Chiefs entire unit moved with Lenny.

SenselessChiefsFan 11-06-2011 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8082466)
The moving pocket is not the same thing as the QB rolling out.

While Lenny did roll out in the moving pocket, the protection rolled out with him, hence the name.

The protection on the QBs rolling out today is not rolling with him.

They'll have a lineman or two move with him, but the Chiefs entire unit moved with Lenny.

I will take your word for it. I didn't know the entire line moved with him.

Seems impractical. I have a ton to do this morning, but I look forward to looking it up later.

milkman 11-06-2011 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8082472)
I will take your word for it. I didn't know the entire line moved with him.

Seems impractical. I have a ton to do this morning, but I look forward to looking it up later.

I'm not sure I can describe this properly, but I'll do my best.

The primary reason that Stram created the moving pocket is that the O-Line, for that day and age, was huge compared to the other lines in the AFL and NFL.

But they were also fast and athletic, and combined with Dawson's mobility, Stram saw it as a way to create clear passing lanes for Dawson.

When Lenny rolled out, the line rolled with him, but at an angle.
It eliminated half the field as a target for Lenny, but he had a clear vision of the field on the half that he rolled to.

RUSH 11-06-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8082285)
Then please explain how Luck, a rSr, could stay at Stanford for another year. You don't "use up" your redshirt year. Redshirting someone is removing them from competition for 1 whole year. They are only allowed to suit up and not play in competition. A player has 4 years of eligibility. 1 year of eligibility is used up if that player steps on the field 1 time during a game. If they don't step out on to that field they have, get this..., 4 years of eligibility left even though they were on the team.

Really? You can't just google this instead of talking out of your ass?

First, Luck is a redshirt junior just like Rodgers is. He is not a RS Senior like you say. Academically, he's a senior.

Luck redshirted his first year on campus so that means he had 4 years of eligibility left after that redshirt year. He has started the next 3 years and has 1 year eligibility left if he wants it, but everyone knows that this is his last year.

As for Rodgers, he played 2 years at a junior college which uses up 2 years of eligibility. He then redshirted at Vandy in 2010 due to a shoulder injury. So therefore he has two years of eligilbility left, this current season and next season.

http://www.vucommodores.com/sports/m..._jordan00.html

You're wrong.

Saul Good 11-06-2011 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8082285)
Then please explain how Luck, a rSr, could stay at Stanford for another year. You don't "use up" your redshirt year. Redshirting someone is removing them from competition for 1 whole year. They are only allowed to suit up and not play in competition. A player has 4 years of eligibility. 1 year of eligibility is used up if that player steps on the field 1 time during a game. If they don't step out on to that field they have, get this..., 4 years of eligibility left even though they were on the team.

Please stop being stupid.


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