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shaneo69 04-06-2005 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
After having his best season as a Chief, I have to wonder, if Morton sucked as bad as everyone around here says he does, wouldn't he be gone too?

Hey Cochise, in your little dream world, did the Chiefs win the Super Bowl last year?

the Talking Can 04-06-2005 08:36 AM

Here's the stats for Not-Johhny Morton:

games/catches/yards/avg. per catch/TDS

1999 Cleveland Browns 16 66 986 14.9 8
2000 Cleveland Browns 16 57 669 11.7 0
2001 Cleveland Browns 16 84 1097 13.1 9
2002 Cleveland Browns 15 67 703 10.5 4
2003 Jacksonville Jaguars 9 58 634 10.9 3
2004 Baltimore Ravens 5 35 373 10.7 1

jspchief 04-06-2005 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
Johnson has 2 things going for him:

1. He's not Johhny Morton
1a. He's not gay like Johhny Morton
2. He's cheaper than a gay Johnny Morton

the dude has averaged about 60 catches a year, prior to last year....

So has Morton, and Morton averaged a hell of a lot more yards.

I'm not trying to stick up for Morton, but I don't see KJ having done anything to make me believe he's a definate improvement. Especially when you consider he'll have to learn the offense. It's a lateral move IMO, and I can't see a huge reason to fuck with chemistry over a lateral move. I guess it depends on price tag.

Personally, I'm still kind of crying over the spilled milk that was Keenan McCardell.

Eleazar 04-06-2005 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
Hey Cochise, in your little dream world, did the Chiefs win the Super Bowl last year?

No, but in the real world, he did put up 800 yards last year, something Johnson has not done since 2001.

dtebbe 04-06-2005 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
Johnson has 2 things going for him:

1. He's not Johhny Morton
1a. He's not gay like Johhny Morton
2. He's cheaper than a gay Johnny Morton

the dude has averaged about 60 catches a year, prior to last year....

So basically you are saying Morton is a turd burgler :shrug:

DT

the Talking Can 04-06-2005 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
So has Morton, and Morton averaged a hell of a lot more yards.

I'm not trying to stick up for Morton, but I don't see KJ having done anything to make me believe he's a definate improvement. Especially when you consider he'll have to learn the offense. It's a lateral move IMO, and I can't see a huge reason to fuck with chemistry over a lateral move. I guess it depends on price tag.

Personally, I'm still kind of crying over the spilled milk that was Keenan McCardell.

I think the point is that everyone - fans, coaches, players - is sick of Morton and his insanely stupid plays...in terms of production it is a lateral move, but:

Johnson is younger, cheaper, and not gay....(I'm still waiting for Morton's cyber boy friend to show up screaming)

Coach 04-06-2005 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
Here's the stats for Not-Johhny Morton:

games/catches/yards/avg. per catch/TDS

1999 Cleveland Browns 16 66 986 14.9 8
2000 Cleveland Browns 16 57 669 11.7 0
2001 Cleveland Browns 16 84 1097 13.1 9
2002 Cleveland Browns 15 67 703 10.5 4
2003 Jacksonville Jaguars 9 58 634 10.9 3
2004 Baltimore Ravens 5 35 373 10.7 1

Yikes.... however, I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt, becuase the fact that the Browns really suck big balls, we all know this. And that Baltimore isn't really a excellent passing team per se. But whatever happened to him in the Jacksonville and Baltimore seasons? Did he get injured?

BigChiefFan 04-06-2005 08:55 AM

I think he is a good receiver, but I don't think he is going to come in and put up 1200 yards receiving and 12 TDs per season. If cutting Morton SAVES us money, than I'm for it, but I don't think KJ is head and shoulders above Morton.

shaneo69 04-06-2005 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
No, but in the real world, he did put up 800 yards last year, something Johnson has not done since 2001.

Yeah, and then he decided to take the last two games off.

Yes, KJ is about the equivalent of Morton as far as production goes, but that's all this offense needs. What it doesn't need is Morton's salary, attitude, and propensity to make stupid plays, like falling down when the ball's coming or fumbling inside the redzone. KJ is about 2-3 years younger, so if he can come in and put up 800 yards receiving for 3 years in a row, the Chiefs offense should continue to excel. DV doesn't want a primadona star WR who's going to come in here and whine about not getting the ball enough.

C-Mac 04-06-2005 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
Hey Cochise, in your little dream world, did the Chiefs win the Super Bowl last year?

No, but it wasnt due to Morton's lack of play.
Morton had a very good year and I wouldnt mind him staying on the team because of his knowledge of the offense. I think that Johnson would replace Dante Hall on the recievers list so he can focus on his return game.

the Talking Can 04-06-2005 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
What it doesn't need is Morton's salary, attitude, and propensity to make stupid plays, like falling down when the ball's coming or fumbling inside the redzone.

or failing to step out of bounds and costing us a FG, etc...

shaneo69 04-06-2005 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac
No, but it wasnt due to Morton's lack of play.
Morton had a very good year and I wouldnt mind him staying on the team because of his knowledge of the offense. I think that Johnson would replace Dante Hall on the recievers list so he can focus on his return game.

What, are we gonna carry 9 WR's on the roster?

Morton and Kennison as starters, for their production and knowledge of the offense.

KJ and Chris Horn for 3rd down, 3-receiver sets.

Parker and McIntyre for 1st down, play-action bombs.

Dante for punt and kick returns.

Bo and Hill as gunners on the coverage teams.


Morton should've been gone after his woeful playoff showing against Indy. Then he went on to skip training camp and take the last two games of the season off last year, sandwiched around all his mental mistakes during the middle of the season. He's a 12 year vet making these mistakes, and at a Pro Bowl salary no less. And in addition, he's been called out in public as being gay and a steroid user. Why waste anymore time on this guy?

TRR 04-06-2005 10:00 AM

I think Kevin Johnson would be a great addition. He's nearly 5 years younger than Morton, and could put up the same type of numbers in this offense IMHO. KJ needs a coach like Vermeil, and a QB like Trent Green. For some reason, I could see KJ really resurrecting his career in KC. He has a ton of talent. Although he hasn't had a whole lot of talent around him.

TRR 04-06-2005 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
What, are we gonna carry 9 WR's on the roster?

Morton and Kennison as starters, for their production and knowledge of the offense.

KJ and Chris Horn for 3rd down, 3-receiver sets.

Parker and McIntyre for 1st down, play-action bombs.

Dante for punt and kick returns.

Bo and Hill as gunners on the coverage teams.

Morton may very well be released on June 1st.

McIntyre won't make the team/Practice Squad

Dante will fill his normal role.

KJ and Kennison could be your starters.

Boe will be the 3rd/4th WR if healthy.

It looks like this IMHO. (If KJ signs)...

Starters: KJ, Kennison
3rd/4th WR: Boe, Hall
5th WR/ST'er: Pick one between Horn, McIntyre, Hill, and Parker

milkman 04-06-2005 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR
Morton may very well be released on June 1st.

McIntyre won't make the team/Practice Squad

Dante will fill his normal role.

KJ and Kennison could be your starters.

Boe will be the 3rd/4th WR if healthy.

It looks like this IMHO. (If KJ signs)...

Starters: KJ, Kennison
3rd/4th WR: Boe, Hall
5th WR/ST'er: Pick one between Horn, McIntyre, Hill, and Parker

I'd rather have Horn as the 4th receiver.
Hall just isn't a very good receiver, except against Denver for some reason.


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