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Chiefs Pantalones 08-01-2005 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13
I don't know where people get this idea that DV is so soft in terms of football thinking. DV has always talked about having a "level of violence". If he hadn't run into Martz/Saunders in his career, he'd probably still be a grind it out/blood and dirt football coach. Really, he still is, because you'll hear him piss and moan when Saunders gets too pass happy during a game.

DV has been nothing but soft during his tenure here at KC, as far as the defense is concerned. He hired a soft DC in Greggy poo, and totally supported the way he coached. I'm thankful DV is changing, thanks to Gun. I'm just going by what I've seen the last 4 years in KC.

I think our defense will be loads better this year, thanks to Gun and the added talent that we would not have added if it weren't for him. Terrible head coach, but good DC.

Mike in SW-MO 08-01-2005 01:21 PM

Remember in the 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 recaps, the defense is not allowed to hit the QBs and the offense doesn't give up the ball when Trent flings and INT.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 07:40 AM

Holthus on Des Moines Radio...8/2 camp update
 
Wasn't much to it this morning...

Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later).

Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing.

He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead.

ptlyon 08-02-2005 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead.

Interesting...

ptlyon 08-02-2005 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we're done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants will start looking for jobs instead of focusing.

Then put a fork in us. I don't see us better than 2-2 after 4.

Hope I'm wrong.

ZootedGranny 08-02-2005 07:45 AM

Very interesting.

I wouldn't have a problem with him as coach.

siberian khatru 08-02-2005 07:46 AM

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If we go 1-3 we're done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants will start looking for jobs instead of focusing.
Holthus actually said that? They're basically going to quit at 1-3? That's nuts.

Coach 08-02-2005 07:48 AM

What? If he said that, he's senile. There are quite a few teams in the NFL that has came back from a 1-3 defict to make it to the playoffs.

MichaelH 08-02-2005 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach
What? If he said that, he's senile. There are quite a few teams in the NFL that has came back from a 1-3 defict to make it to the playoffs.

I can see it happening after the letdowns that have occured. I don't think it's right but it can happen.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach
What? If he said that, he's senile. There are quite a few teams in the NFL that has came back from a 1-3 defict to make it to the playoffs.

Not teams that have 20 coaches in the final year of their contracts.

Holthus said the air around the FO is that a change needs to be made. At this point, he said even if Vermeil did want to come back, it might not happen.

petegz28 08-02-2005 07:55 AM

Boy there is just so much optomism around the Chiefs this year. NOT! Now even Holthus is on the "cry about last year" bandwagon.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28
Boy there is just so much optomism around the Chiefs this year. NOT! Now even Holthus is on the "cry about last year" bandwagon.

"Cry about last year"?

WTF are you talking about?

All Holthus said is that this team absolutely CANNOT afford to start off slow. He didn't even MENTION last year.

tomahawk kid 08-02-2005 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Not teams that have 20 coaches in the final year of their contracts.

Holthus said the air around the FO is that a change needs to be made. At this point, he said even if Vermeil did want to come back, it might not happen.

That's scary right there. Not the attitude that you want to have at the beginning of a contending season.

shit.

The part about Ambrose and Washington has me nervous as well. If McCleon and Sapp look better than those 2, we are in trouble. I don't think corner is a position that has a huge "learning curve" from a playbook standpoint, since these guys are basically on an island.

siberian khatru 08-02-2005 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Not teams that have 20 coaches in the final year of their contracts.

Holthus said the air around the FO is that a change needs to be made. At this point, he said even if Vermeil did want to come back, it might not happen.


They're gonna be in the final year of their contracts whether they win or lose. Would not their employment prospects for 2006 improve if they worked hard to turn around a 1-3 start rather than quit and go in the tank, finishing 6-10 or whatever on the heels of a disappointing 7-9 the year before? What does a 2-year mark of 13-19 do for you on the open market? Aren't these guys supposed to be a bit more professional than that?

Quitting at 1-3 makes them no better than all us whiny bitches on the Planet. :p

htismaqe 08-02-2005 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
They're gonna be in the final year of their contracts whether they win or lose. Would not their employment prospects for 2006 improve if they worked hard to turn around a 1-3 start rather than quit and go in the tank, finishing 6-10 or whatever on the heels of a disappointing 7-9 the year before? What does a 2-year mark of 13-19 do for you on the open market? Aren't these guys supposed to be a bit more professional than that?

Quitting at 1-3 makes them no better than all us whiny bitches on the Planet. :p

OK, I see where this is coming from. I worded it wrong. Re-read the initial post now.


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