Carl will hire Gunther to be HC before Al, so it's all moot anyway.

and what about the other bazillion drives that did work?


what about the fact that we've had arguably the best offense in the league since Saunders 2nd season here?



the problem with this team is defense and overall coaching


Saunders and the offense is the single bright spot.

WTF would lead you to think that? It took them 2 years too long to get rid of Robinson, and they didn't even fire him.

Now you are talking about "mixing it up"---the perpetual dilemma faced by all Offensive Coordinators.

If Offensive Coordinators become too predictable, that's the death of an offense. When mixing it and and getting cute works, OCs are a genius; when it doesn't work, they aren't "making adjustments" or should have gone with "what was working." It's a Catch 22 for them....

Do you go with "what works" and get stopped, as in the LJ four straight times at the goal line.....? Or do you "get cute" and score on 4th and goal at the goal-line--with no time-outs and 3 seconds on the clock.....no one really expected that

Just for the record, I don't hate Saunders and I think he's a good offensive coordinator even though I do think he makes some bad decisions from time to time in situations where he expects perfect execution when its not likely.

I just don't really want to have another, perhaps even more offensive minded coach and continue on this greatest show on grass path with no defense to back it up.

We've spent so much money on offense over the years that we rarely had money to spend on defensive talent and for whatever reason most of it that we brought in stunk.

I'm also not real sure how well the current offense will work without extremely talented and atheletic linemen like Shields and Roaf who will eventually retire.

I would just rather have Saunders as a coordinator with a head coach that was geared towards fixing the defense while keeping the running game in tact.

I would really hate to go through what the Rams went through post Vermeil with an over anxious offensive coordinator that thought he could outwit everyone.

Since when is taking a simple 5 step drop to pass the ball "getting cute"?
The Chiefs had been moving the ball in the air and on the ground.
LJ was asked to block or chip Scott F'n Fujita - not Merriman, not Freeney, not Jason Taylor, not Michael Strahan. If they can't rely on him to block an at best average linebacker they better grab a HB in the first round of the draft this year.

Four words for you:

Dick Vermiel is gone. :D

Nice work.

I think the current stench is contagious. Anyone who has been here for the whole thing and has been one of DV's guys is infected and needs to go. If not then the stench may be knocked down a notch but it will continue to breed and reappear at the worst possible time.

I don't think anyone could argue that since Saunders AND Vermeil have been here the offense has been one of the best in the league, primarily due to an extremely athletic offensive line and a very good running game. Our bread an butter has been running off left tackle, running to the edges and screen passes throughout most of that time.

We've also had one of the worst defenses in the league throughout that time, a big reason for it is the highlight on the offense and the big money spent there.

Uh-huh. and before that, it was Gunther who had Kurt Schottenheimer and Jimmy Raye forced on him.

Like I said, why do you think the chiefs are going to suddenly change the way they've always done business?

i doubt that's gonna happen

we aren't going to keep saunders has OC and go out and hire a Head coach.


we either promote Al or he's gone imo ... been too many teams snooping around about giving him a HC chance.

Well lets see, thus far we moved the ball on the ground effectively in the endzone, we needed to take time off the clock and were in a perfect position to score.

Don't you at least attempt a run on first and goal on the 9 yard line?

I believe that what happened in NY has a lot to do with offense as well as the defense. Al ran LJ on the left side or up the middle constantly but more to the left behind Roaf on the weak side. When they ran on the right side (the side that Welbourn was manhandling Strahan), the strong side, LJ had space to work with and made some great gains but that was to far and few between. The obsession that Al gets with a specific package is exhausting and at best futile. It tends to narrow the opportunities to succeed for our offense. It showed in the Buffalo game, the conservativeness of the paralell package inserted in the 2nd half of the Philly game, and it killed us in NY Saturday. His lack of trust in what hasn't yet been proven has been the Chiefs demise. The defense on the other hand, each individual in each position has to be trusted to do their part and the culmination of both failures Saturday spelled disaster for us. I do not want Saunders as a HC for the Chiefs for that reason. I want DV to retire and we need to clean house of the assistant defensive coaches and allow Gunther to hire his own. I like Gunther, his aggresiveness, his fire and passion. We need an offensive minded head coach that allows Trent to also call his own audibles and make changes on the line. We need a deep threat receiver to draw the attention from our TE's and make LBs drop back to allow space for LJ to cut and run. And quite possibly a QB that has the deep ball threat that Trent doesn't have.

Getting cute is a singleback formation with 4 wide on 2nd and goal from the 9 yard line with a minute on the clock after the previous pass play failed primarily due to pressure on the QB.

I'm sorry but 1st and 10 on the 20, sure, 1st and goal on the 9, timeout, 2nd and goal on the 9, you pull your fullback when the protection previsouly broke down while he was in and pass again. Thats just silly.