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Hammock Parties 08-22-2006 10:41 AM

This is garbage. We're not going to play 10 yards off the receiver during the regular season. Cover 2 corners get up and bump their receivers before falling into their zones.

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz
there isn't a hole in my thinking .......

only a hole in your ability to read/accept what i actually wrote and not interpret my post the way you want it to be.

IF means IF ... not *insert a parker euphemism here*

There is a whole in your thinking.

I know what the meaning of the word "if" is. And I know precisely why you used it.

It's quite simple:

No offense will get the 1st down 100% of the time, even with NO DEFENSE on the field.

You can yammer all you want, it doesn't change the fact that stopping big plays, for THIS defense, is a BIG deal.

Mr. Laz 08-22-2006 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
This is garbage. We're not going to play 10 yards off the receiver during the regular season. Cover 2 corners get up and bump their receivers before falling into their zones.

so you're saying that stopping the big play is a bad thing?[/parker]

Hammock Parties 08-22-2006 10:44 AM

What the hell. I'm agreeing with Parker.

FringeNC 08-22-2006 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I was going to address this with Laz' post, but since you gave me a specific instance to draw upon, I'll use your post instead.

You guys sure have strange memories. I sure don't remember getting dinked and dunked to death in the Colts game.

I remember getting burned by Brandon Stokely deep, and it certainly was EARLY in the game.

And I also remember numerous 3rd down attempts where we failed to stop them.

Or better yet, take out the flea flicker, and Dallas did that to us last year. Especially their two drives in the 4th quarter. Let them march down the field in small chunks.

The Chiefs' defense may be improved this year -- who the hell really knows now -- but nothing I've seen on the field thus far has me inspired.

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC
Except that playoff game against Indy.

I found it, and I was right.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebo...0040111_IND@KC

1st 3 Indy drives, 3 plays of 20+ yards. We weren't dinked and dunked at all.

Mr. Laz 08-22-2006 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
You can yammer all you want, it doesn't change the fact that stopping big plays, for THIS defense, is a BIG deal.

in the abstract ... "yes"

stopping the big play is a goal of EVERY defense


but IF we can't stop the short plays too we won't be able to stay in this umbrella defense for long. Teams will just come in a dink and dunk until we fall behind and have to come out of it ...... then they go deep.

it's been happening to us for years now.

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC
I'm talking about giving a receiver a cushion that's beyond the 1st down marker.

Like I said, we jammed in the Houston game, so it's anybody's guess at this point.

Hammock Parties 08-22-2006 10:47 AM

THIS IS NOT AN UMBRELLA DEFENSE. THERE ARE PLAYERS DEFENDING THE SHORT ZONES. GET A CLUE.

Mr. Laz 08-22-2006 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
What the hell. I'm agreeing with Parker.

dropping to your knees for another mod, i see.

|Zach| 08-22-2006 10:48 AM

I just got a couple of laughs reading a few of the posts.

I can imagine all these guys around a table talking about different football strategies and philosophies for their teams and then each of them telling the other why it won't work citing a lack of execution.

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz
in the abstract ... "yes"

stopping the big play is a goal of EVERY defense


but IF we can't stop the short plays too we won't be able to stay in this umbrella defense for long. Teams will just come in a dink and dunk until we fall behind and have to come out of it ...... then they go deep.

it's been happening to us for years now.

That's my point.

1) Teams CANNOT dink and dunk like you suggest they can. EVERYBODY makes a mistake at some point.

2) It has NOT been happening to us for years. Find a game and point out an instance where we gave up a touchdown WITHOUT giving up a 20+ yard play on the drive. Here's a hint - you won't find one easily.

|Zach| 08-22-2006 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz
dropping to your knees for another mod, i see.

Because agreeing with mods gets people sooo many benefits.

Wile_E_Coyote 08-22-2006 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius
You mean that guy who keeps grabbing at the QB like he is a greased pig and ends up on the ground all alone?

that's the Benny Sapp I remember

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by (Zach)
Because agreeing with mods gets people sooo many benefits.

Well it does keep GC from being banned for the tenth time. :D


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