Criticisms or whatever you call it, some are justified and some are just to annoy you.... Why are you so willing to look past Herms history? Because he is the coach of KC? Biggest problem is Herms past is following him wether good or bad. We are seeing the same crap here, that last few years we were laughing at and was so glad he was the Jets problem and not ours. Well now he is here and everyone is laughing at us.

I never said anything about Herm drafting linemen in NYJ... I was talking about the fact that Roaf was damaged here and it should of been addressed by him and Carl, regardless if Roaf was coming back or not. That was all.

Besides I will never bitch about what Herm didnt draft here in KC if he is gone. Trust me on that and if I do you can call me out on it. Cool?

This is really preposterous. The team that beat SD in the playoffs, and came within a Doug Brien field goal of winning in Pittsburgh in 2004 was totally Herm's team and not at all Parcells' team.

Because I was bored, I actually went and counted using this website:

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/ro...nnual/2004-nyj

Only 6 (!) players on that team were ever coached by Parcells (Chrebet, Fabini, Ferguson, Martin, Mawae, and Sowell). That's an amazingly low number.

After Herm's first season in NY, he cut loose a lot of guys (Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman, Victor Green, James Farrior, Mo Lewis, Marvin Jones, etc. etc.) Expect the same fate for the Sammy Knights, Greg Wesleys, Kendrell Bells, and Eric Hickseses on this team.

That's why I think a lot of fans who expect massive investment in the offense this offseason are going to be disappointed. Herm will probably add a WR, but I think his focus this offseason will be on making the defense faster and better.

Cool Thanks for the info, I will go and check it out.

I agree. I don't think we'll get a lot of "playmakers" on offense, but we'll shore up the O-line and D-line and fill areas of need on defense. We'll remain competitive because of our defense next year, and Herm will cut the chaff.

Sampson, Svitek, Black... like always, it isn't that Peterless isn't trying to fix the problem- he just didn't do a good job of it.

When I get a chance, I will go back and dig through this to see if I can come up with something.

But are you sayin that there wasnt a LT anywhere in the FA market or the Draft that we could of signed that had promise or proved he was better than I-65?

How do we know if they never looked? Or did they look?

I know you keep saying it's the offensive line..but here is something for you to think about..and I posted this in another thread..it's the coaches responsibility to maximize his own teams strengths,and take advantage of the opponents weaknesses..if the O-Line is as horrible as you say..why is the offense so predictable??(you can still be conservative without being predictable)doesn't it make sense to be unpredictable to keep the defense off balance??
As for the O-line theory,history says good coaching will prevail over a bad O-line.
In 1998 the Jets 0-line was not that good(took them to the AFC championship game)in 1999 Parcells started 2 rookies on the O-line....that O-line kicked ass..Randy Thomas and Ryan Young..they turned into very good players..

The things 'everyone was saying' was speculation, nothing more.
What is verifiable, is that in May, before the OTAs, but after the draft, and after any marquee LT was off the table, Roaf was cheerleading this season as the one he felt 'better than ever' for, and was talking people into sticking around, giving it their all, and making the push for LJ to get 2K rushing.
What is verifiable is that there was no discussion of Roaf, except for off-hand remarks about tweaking his hammy in OTAs and going home after the OTAs for some rest and healing before training camp
What is verifiable is that this vacuum on Roaf news continued until day one of training camp, when Roaf FTA. He might have put his papers in early in TC. Heck he might have put them in even earlier. But there is no evidence of that to reference.
So stop with the 'everybody's saying' and give us solid facts about;
1) when Roaf's retirement was evident, and
2) what suitable replacements were available at that time and since.

1) Black wasn't even supposed to be starting at LT. He was slated in tentatively at RT. Injuries and incompetence (see: Sampson's sandy vagina, Svitek on IR and Turley's general level of "suck") gave him the LT starting job and allowed him to keep it.

2) Roaf retired after the draft and at the trail end of free agency. If there were someone available after Roaf retired, I have full confidence that they would have gone after them.

3) After Black settled in at LT, he hasn't made a whole lot of mistakes. Like I said, he's not Roaf, but he's certainly above average, and shouldn't be a huge area of concern right now, especially when you're looking at a line that's facing the loss of Shields and has a huge vacuum of a hole at RT. Add to that that Weigman, while very good when pulling and out in space, isn't well-suited for the up-the-gut running that we seem to be doing, and we might need to see what we have in Niswanger before next season starts.

At least you admit that roughly half of your opinions on Herm are pure bullshit.

I personally love this. If I'm not willing to be 100% critical of Herm, whether it's warranted or not, to the point of MAKING THINGS UP to criticize him, I'm "looking past his history". Trust me, I've put up with being called a Carl apologist for years and it's not gonna change.

Quite simply, I will criticize Herm when he DESERVES TO BE CRITICIZED. The guy has made a TON of mistakes, so why is it necessary to invent things to bitch about? It doesn't make you look smart or progressive, it makes you look PETTY.

And I never said you or any other Chiefs fan would bitch about Herm didn't draft here.

I said Chief fans bitching that Herm never drafted a 1st-day offensive linemen (even though he actually did) while in New York would be like his next team's fans bitching that he didn't draft a RB while in Kansas City.

Thanks for bolstering my argument. Randy Thomas and Ryan Young were 2/5 of that offensive line. All the more reason it would have been STUPID for Herm to spend draft picks on linemen he already had.

So you're admitting that you have no clue if they looked or not? Now we're getting somewhere.

Chicken Little posted verifiable evidence of doubts about Roaf's return on 6/23.

Just sayin'...

Actually,Hermy let both of them go when he came on board..Thomas got gobbled up by the Redskins and he let Young go to the Texans..

I distinctly remember pooping my drawers sometime in July.

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