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cyborgtable 01-08-2007 03:46 PM

This probably isn't new to most of you but the cover two is a defense predicated on speed, pure speed. It wants to create penetration with its quick defensive lineman blowing up running plays in the backfield forcing the runner to juke and dance while the rest of the defense swarms to him without him being able to escape. It is great if you have a quick front four, don't have to be great just quick. The corners are supposed to bump and take the quick passes away while the d-line applies pressure, it is a great system when run correctly and you can blitz from it effectively as well if you have scouted your opponents passing game well enough. Finally, it really shouldn't be called the "Tampa 2" because its original use was the steel curtain of the Steelers superbowl teams

Simplex3 01-08-2007 03:48 PM

I hate all "systems" with a passion. You should design your s**t to work with the guys you have that year.

cyborgtable 01-08-2007 03:52 PM

Constantly designing after your players will leave you without a goal to achieve player wise, knowing a system and wanting to implement it are a good thing to do but you must alter it to the talent you have and get your players. KC didn't bump enough to get the cover two to work and the DT's weren't good enough at pash rushing to make it work either.

Silock 01-08-2007 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins
And given DJ's speed in blitzing situations , Bell's proven ability to rush the quarterback (but liability in coverage), and Law and Surtain's ability to man up against a WR, wouldn't it stand to reason that this team is constructed to play a man-blitzing scheme so that the DT's don't cause us to get gashed in the passing game??

I don't think Bell will be here next year.

But the addition of two good, young safeties should say something.

Silock 01-08-2007 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
I hate all "systems" with a passion. You should design your s**t to work with the guys you have that year.

Learning a new system every year is BAD. Consistency is good.

suds79 01-08-2007 05:23 PM

No preference. I think if the players are good enough, they'll make almost any system look good.

DTLB58 01-08-2007 06:15 PM

I ABSOLUTELY hate it ever time I see one of our corners just let the WR run by him and the pass is completed between the CB and the safety, stupid,stupid,stupid! It's like the QB is just playing catch with the freaking WR.

To easy, It should NOT be that easy in the NFL to catch a pass. The D scheme is soft and it sucks.

IMO any D scheme or coordinator that is not having DJ rush the QB more is not right! We all saw the hit DJ put on Plummer last year, that man has to meet the opposing QB's much more often. DJ's talents are being wasted in this D.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-08-2007 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58
I ABSOLUTELY hate it ever time I see one of our corners just let the WR run by him and the pass is completed between the CB and the safety, stupid,stupid,stupid! It's like the QB is just playing catch with the freaking WR.

To easy, It should NOT be that easy in the NFL to catch a pass. The D scheme is soft and it sucks.

IMO any D scheme or coordinator that is not having DJ rush the QB more is not right! We all saw the hit DJ put on Plummer last year, that man has to meet the opposing QB's much more often. DJ's talents are being wasted in this D.

It has too many weaknesses that can easily be exploited by even average offenses. Have a TE run a flag route while your strong side WR runs a deep out and see what happens---and that's on the fucking outside, the supposed strength of the D. Any QB who is decent on his intermediate throws will eviscerate a Tampa 2.

Personally, I think Mecca's adulation of Coach Fredo is misplaced, but his assertion that you need an ungodly amount of talent to run the Tampa 2 is correct.

What Tampa 2 team this year didn't have a glaring deficiency in either pass or run D this year? The answer: none...even the Bears w/ Harris and Brown were susceptible to the run.

Hammock Parties 01-08-2007 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58
We all saw the hit DJ put on Plummer last year, that man has to meet the opposing QB's much more often. DJ's talents are being wasted in this D.

ROFL

That's hilarious, considering DJ had 4.5 sacks this year and 2 last year.

htismaqe 01-08-2007 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins
Look at Philly's front four. They aren't nearly as talented as the Chiefs, nor are their linebackers. The difference is that their scheme works with the strength of their D, a strong secondary. Ours exacerbates our greatest weakness, the DTs, MLB and idiot FS.

Patterson at DT is more talented than all of our DT's, starters and backups, put together.

htismaqe 01-08-2007 07:06 PM

This idea that DJ is being wasted if he's not blitzing the QB is just sad...

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-08-2007 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Patterson at DT is more talented than all of our DT's, starters and backups, put together.

So are the stray hairs on my taint.

Their D-line is subpar as a unit. Kearse is wildly overrated, always injured, and one dimensional when healthy. They have a lot of holes on the line, but can still get it done.

Mecca 01-08-2007 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins
Look at Philly's front four. They aren't nearly as talented as the Chiefs, nor are their linebackers. The difference is that their scheme works with the strength of their D, a strong secondary. Ours exacerbates our greatest weakness, the DTs, MLB and idiot FS.

You don't really think this do you......

Phillys Dline includes...Darren Howard, Trent Cole, Mike Patterson, Broderick Bunkley, Jerome McDougle, Darwin Walker and Lajuan Ramsey.....that's a ton of first round picks and a ton of talent. Bunkley doesn't even start for him and everyone on this board would have loved to have had him in last years draft.

Then you throw in Kearse and it's a very deep talented unit.

Hammock Parties 01-08-2007 07:25 PM

Subpar as a unit?

They have two outstanding defensive tackles and Darren Howard is AT LEAST Hali's equal at DE. Trent Cole is vastly underrated.

Hammock Parties 01-08-2007 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca
You don't really think this do you......

Phillys Dline includes...Darren Howard, Trent Cole, Mike Patterson, Broderick Bunkley, Jerome McDougle, Darwin Walker and Lajuan Ramsey.....that's a ton of first round picks and a ton of talent. Bunkley doesn't even start for him and everyone on this board would have loved to have had him in last years draft.

Then you throw in Kearse and it's a very deep talented unit.

Bingo!


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