I disagree, please ask the Kurds if that’s the case, oh no you cant they we gassed. There are many Middle Eastern countries that maintain control with out resorting to murder. Its the Iraqi populace that needs to set up here. While they complain about the violence and blame the US its they who are at fault. THEY support this movement, take a stand. Tell your husband, you brother, your son to stop the violence, stop funneling money take control of you future and let us get the hell out.

Senseless and extremely sad. :(

LMAO LMAO

Oh shit, I'm going to hell... :(

We should empty our prison system of everyone that is sentenced to life or the death penalty, put em in plane drop them off in iraq/iran and bring our troops home. Give the prisoners some guns/ammo/food/water and tell them if you live you're free.

You're a little late. They are in a civil war. Some experts have said they have been in a civil war for at least a year now.

Bush administration should of thought about this before going in.
So long as people need customers, they can't necessarily choose who they are.
The big bad SH sold his oil to us still.


I don't understand this one. I know Iran and Saudis don't care for one another as there is a Shia-Sunni divide in the Arab world. But keeping SH in there is what was a check between Iran and SA. Now we have a Shia (Iran) crescent in the area.

Whole thing was a dumb move. Whats worse, is a war with Iran is being planned to boot.

You only post the bad things that happen under the occupation what about all the good things that are happening. :rolleyes:

I wonder if we'll make it to 50 posts before this gets moved to DC.

I probably should have put it there, but figured it would get more attention here...

If it needs to be moved --- that's fine with me...

I have no problem with it. Usually any thread that even flirts with being political is ushered to DC pronto like.

I don't voice myself on politics too much... I might visit the D.C. Lounge once in awhile and do some reading, but as far as posting, I usually stay away from it...

I'm more content on the sports world...

This is thread-worthy, just because of the high head count. Sad deal.

This ain't civil war, yet. When we're gone, things will escalate way beyond the way things are now. When Iran steps further in, we'll let them piss away their resources so that they can't afford to build a nuke bomb.

Yeah let's keep driving the point home about how stupid the Bush administration was for going in, that'll solve all of our problems.

Yeah well when someone says the place is NOT in civil war or waitin' for the place to be one, when they already are....some points need to be driven home over and over as a reminder that it's not worth it to stay and get more of our guys killed... especially when a claim of not being able to get oil is presented. We can always buy oil.

Oh, and 70% of Americans feel the same way too.

I'm fine with discussion about what to do now, but mindlessly piling on Bush for going in and acting like you knew all along that it was going to go like this is a bit arrogant on your part. I think we can all agree in hindsight it was a bad idea to go in, but we did and now we have to deal with it. Save your anti-Bush bullshit for DC.

This fued between Sunni and Shia is not unlike the Catholic/Protestant clash in Europe. Both regions were dominated by central control (kingdoms in Europe Kingdoms and tyrants in ME). Both saw brutallity on both sides of the religious devide. People used the devide for political and personal reasons (like Henry the eigth or French change of Nante agreements). It is religiously driven. The US avoided this by insisting upon religious freedom.

As such I think we need to get out of harms way and just try and keep the lid on the sectarian action. I can see that once Americans are sort of out of the way, the different religious groups will exhaust their efforts on each other. And that isn't bad. We can't make a difference at this point. Bring the patriots home and defend the hemisphere.