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DaKCMan AP 04-13-2007 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81
Anyone feel like addressing my earlier post about CBs in a Cover 2 scheme? I don't remember Tampa Bay or Chicago taking CBs in the 1st round. Is a 1st round CB really necessary?

You are correct. Although, the Colts (who also run cover-2 under Dungy) drafted Marlin Jackson in the 1st in 2005.

Chiefnj 04-13-2007 09:06 AM

Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated - ROFL

I don't advocate focussing on positions in the draft, I much prefer the best player available approach. That being said, Herm's reasoning for not wanting a WR is disturbing. If they aren't likely to make an impact right away and need a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL, wouldn't you take one now while your QB is getting acclimated and they both hit their stride 2-3 years down the road?

chop 04-13-2007 09:07 AM

Herm does have apoint about the WR position not being an immediate impact type of player. I can't think of too many 1st round WR's that have done a whole lot in their first couple of years. Stallworth and Lelie come to mind as players the Chiefs fans wanted to draft. Stallworth was pretty good last year ( when healthy) but up until last year he was inconsistant. Lelie showed some flashes at times but he has done nothing. Roy Williams did a fair job his first year. WR in the first is a crap shoot.

Tribal Warfare 04-13-2007 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chop
Herm does have apoint about the WR position not being an immediate impact type of player. I can't think of too many 1st round WR's that have done a whole lot in their first couple of years. Stallworth and Lelie come to mind as players the Chiefs fans wanted to draft.


and look who KC drafted that year Ryan *Staypuffed* fuckIN Sims.

Brock 04-13-2007 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated - ROFL

It might have been because he was only active for 5 games.

chagrin 04-13-2007 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
His WR corps with the Jets were better than anything we've had in over a decade.

Coles, Chrebet, Moss


Dude, he didn't evaluate nor draft Coles or Chrebet - Moss was lame in his time there.

htismaqe 04-13-2007 09:20 AM

ROFL

Herm's WR's were superior to the Chiefs in all but one year from 2001 to 2005.

Chiefnj 04-13-2007 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
ROFL

Herm's WR's were superior to the Chiefs in all but one year from 2001 to 2005.

As they should have been. They were more talented than what KC had and they didn't have Tony G and an offense designed around Priest Holmes.

Coogs 04-13-2007 09:34 AM

I know I am in the minority here, but I am excited about the direction this team is taking. I am excited that the players we drafted last season are going to get a chance to make an impact this season. And I really don't care which position we choose in which round in a couple of weeks. I don't think we are one player away from being a contender, and that we have many needs at many positions. A couple of more years of drafting the best football player available at that time in each round.... regardless of position.... is exactly what this team needs.

Now, if only CP and Herm request that Gun take an extended 3 week vacation to the Bahamas starting tomorrow, I would feel better about us being able to identify the best football player available on defense. :)

Chiefnj 04-13-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
ROFL

Herm's WR's were superior to the Chiefs in all but one year from 2001 to 2005.


Do you agree with Herm? Do you agree with his reasoning?

crazycoffey 04-13-2007 09:44 AM

Justin Harrell at 23 isn't much of a reach, IMO.

Harrell has a clean bill of health and was interviewed last night on path to the draft, seems to be a good kid, played through injury before surgery took him out the rest of the year..... I like a guy that will battle through pain, good character.

they said with a clean bill of health he is quickly becoming a strong third place in the DT list and moving up to a possible first round pick.....

OnTheWarpath15 04-13-2007 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated - ROFL

I don't advocate focussing on positions in the draft, I much prefer the best player available approach. That being said, Herm's reasoning for not wanting a WR is disturbing. If they aren't likely to make an impact right away and need a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL, wouldn't you take one now while your QB is getting acclimated and they both hit their stride 2-3 years down the road?

I guess I'm reading this differently.

I don't think he's opposed to drafting a WR, I think he's opposed to spening a R1 on a position that:

1) Isn't likely to make an impact right away

2) He can get talented players at that position later in the draft, freeing up early picks for other positions.

I think we'll take a WR, I just think it'll be later. Better value at other positions early. Plus, we all know he's looking to stockpile picks. Wouldn't be surprised to see us trade down, providing we can find a trading partner.

BigMeatballDave 04-13-2007 09:53 AM

I keep forgetting we have these 2 young WR. Webb is 6-2 and Hannon in 6-3. I say we give these guys a shot. Try to draft a DT, or maybe deal for Jenkins.

Archie Bunker 04-13-2007 10:04 AM

After Calvin Johnson I really don't see much of difference between the WRs available in the late 1st and those available in 2nd-3rd rds. IMO CB might be the best value @ 23.

Herm seems to have his young WRs already. We'll see if thats good or bad.

DJJasonp 04-13-2007 10:08 AM

I think people are taking this story way too seriously...this is all pre-draft posturing to try to throw the mock-draft experts off from our true intentions.

I agree with many others who have said...best available.


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