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Hammock Parties 04-21-2007 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
See, that shows maturity... you're learning when to back out of a losing battle. Bravo.

4321

Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca
Go pull up his stats and watch him play......he's every bit as big and talented and actually has more versatility.


I've watched him play. I disagree. This is an opinion and simply not going to be changed on either of our parts. The ONLY back in the league who I think is better than LJ is LT.

Hammock Parties 04-21-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca
Steven Jackson caught 90 balls last year......

Consider the system. LJ would be scary with that much talent around him.

Mecca 04-21-2007 03:39 PM

You guys must really not pay attention Steven Jackson is a great player.....he may not be as naturally gifted as a runner as LJ is but he's a better player because he's made himself good at more things.

FAX 04-21-2007 03:39 PM

I'm not sure that, when it comes to LT's payday, the talent difference between the two backs is the main issue. My question is, why would you pay premium money for a back to run behind an o-line that can't block pop-ups?

FAX

kcxiv 04-21-2007 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
Elite running backs automatically take precedence over elite tight ends. It's just a fact of life. Now pipe down before LMFJ squashes your nuts into oblivion.

LJ isnt there yet. Gonzo is heads above him. LJ needs to be great for about 3-4 more years, then you can compare. Right now, he's just a good running back.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2007 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
Consider the system. LJ would be scary with that much talent around him.


Beat me to it. It's comparing Apples to Oranges. I think LJ would make Stephen Jackson look silly if they both played for the Rams.

Mile High Mania 04-21-2007 03:41 PM

Last 2 seasons when both LJ and SJ were full time starters...

LJ
| 2005 kan | 16 | 336 1750 5.2 20 | 33 343 10.4 1 |
| 2006 kan | 16 | 416 1789 4.3 17 | 41 410 10.0 2 |


SJ
| 2005 stl | 15 | 254 1046 4.1 8 | 43 320 7.4 2 |
| 2006 stl | 16 | 346 1528 4.4 13 | 90 806 9.0 3 |


LJ obviously owns him on the TD production, but Jackson is in what cannot be argued now as the better overall offense. And, if you think that will not help Jackson really explode in 2007... you're nuts.

The offensive talent around LJ is not what it was just a short 2 years ago and the offense around Jackson is improving. I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Jackson is going to light it up in 2007.

LJ will be solid, but barring immediate improvements... I see his production declining in 2007.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Last 2 seasons when both LJ and SJ were full time starters...

LJ
| 2005 kan | 16 | 336 1750 5.2 20 | 33 343 10.4 1 |
| 2006 kan | 16 | 416 1789 4.3 17 | 41 410 10.0 2 |


SJ
| 2005 stl | 15 | 254 1046 4.1 8 | 43 320 7.4 2 |
| 2006 stl | 16 | 346 1528 4.4 13 | 90 806 9.0 3 |


LJ obviously owns him on the TD production, but Jackson is in what cannot be argued now as the better overall offense. And, if you think that will not help Jackson really explode in 2007... you're nuts.

The offensive talent around LJ is not what it was just a short 2 years ago and the offense around Jackson is improving. I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Jackson is going to light it up in 2007.

LJ will be solid, but barring immediate improvements... I see his production declining in 2007.


Actually, I'm Flopnuts. Seriously though, I think the Rams have much more talent around SJ than the Chiefs do LJ. If they were both on the same team I don't think there would be any argument as to who would spell the other.

Hammock Parties 04-21-2007 03:44 PM

At least no one's talking about grammar in this thread.

chris 04-21-2007 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
http://chiefs.scout.com/2/637402.html

Nothing gets Chiefs fans worked up like trade rumors surrounding running back Larry Johnson..................

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Good Article. i've read far worse on the major sports networks.

BTW, i find it amusing how all the football "experts" on CP compare stats straight up of different backs in different systems.

Apple and oranges.

For example, how has Portis done since leaving DEN?

Mecca 04-21-2007 03:45 PM

I don't think Larry Johnson could catch 90 balls in a year......

Hammock Parties 04-21-2007 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca
I don't think Larry Johnson could catch 90 balls in a year......

I do. Penchief needs to get his ass in this thread.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-21-2007 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca
I don't think Larry Johnson could catch 90 balls in a year......


I'm not saying he could either. What I am saying is LJ would be running the ball. SJ would be catching them if they were on the same team. The only true comparison you can make is if you have 2 guys with the same surrounding personnel.

Mecca 04-21-2007 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
I do. Penchief needs to get his ass in this thread.

Maybe if he tried he could, he's run some really ass pass routes.

It's like I said I think LJ is more naturally gifted than Jackson but I think Jackson works harder and has made himself better at more things and is a versatile player because of it and is a better football player at this time.


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