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beer bacon 07-24-2007 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Nanny nanny boo boo... and that's why you won't get anything more than a 6th.


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Why would Denver initiate talks with KC about a trade if they weren't to give up more then market value? That would be a pretty dumbass move.

I guess Denver might have realized how horrible Wesley has been, and this is just a tactic to scare us into keeping him on our roster for another year.

Direckshun 07-24-2007 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus
Then if Sam Brandon is given an injury settlement have fun with Curome Cox and Hamzah Abdullah as backup safeties.

Oh, and John Lynch is old as dirt and Nick Ferguson is a free agent next year and the 2008 safety class sucks.

In 2 years Champ Bailey will be 31 and Dre' Bly will be 32. It's going to be fun to see this supposedly dominant secondary fall apart with age.
Yeah, the Broncos' safety unit isn't strong, but I wouldn't hail Bailey and Bly as ancient at the age of 31 and 32. That's taking a bit of a leap there, especially since we currently have CBs ages 31 and 33, and we're doing pretty good.

Hammock Parties 07-24-2007 11:16 PM
I'll say this much - if the Broncos had Greg Wesley, they'd finally have a safety who I'd be in fear of making a play.

Mile High Mania 07-24-2007 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus
Then if Sam Brandon is given an injury settlement have fun with Curome Cox and Hamzah Abdullah as backup safeties.

Oh, and John Lynch is old as dirt and Nick Ferguson is a free agent next year and the 2008 safety class sucks.

In 2 years Champ Bailey will be 31 and Dre' Bly will be 32. It's going to be fun to see this supposedly dominant secondary fall apart with age.
Hmmm... Surtain is 31 now. Law is 33 now. Right?

Help me out, so in 2 years... Bly and Bailey will be as old as your CBs are now. Ok.

Lynch is old, but still brings it. And, I'll take my chances with Cox and Abdullah the Butcher, I mean ... Wesley is a spare, right?

beer bacon 07-24-2007 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE
I'll say this much - if the Broncos had Greg Wesley, they'd finally have a safety who I'd be in fear of making a play.
Wesley has always been deceiving because of his big play ability. Is it worth the big play if it cost three or four blown plays in exchange?

Direckshun 07-24-2007 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by beer bacon
Why would Denver initiate talks with KC about a trade if they weren't to give up more then market value? That would be a pretty dumbass move.

I guess Denver might have realized how horrible Wesley has been, and this is just a tactic to scare us into keeping him on our roster for another year.
Denver sees a talented player who's very unhappy in Kansas City.

They figure a change of scenery will inspire his play.

They might be right. It's not a bad gamble, but the mental errors Wes' makes have been pervasive throughout his career, and they've been exacerbated in recent years with his unhappiness on the team.

Direckshun 07-24-2007 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by beer bacon
Wesley has always been deceiving because of his big play ability. Is it worth the big play if it cost three or four blown plays in exchange?
That's about as good a summary of his time in KC as any.

Mile High Mania 07-24-2007 11:19 PM
A change of scenery has helped many players... How about Kennison? Another team's trash is another team's treasure fairly regularly in the NFL.

Logical 07-24-2007 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun
Let me ask you MHM, as this thread's Broncos representative, I've been considering several packages that the Broncos and Chiefs could agree to. Give me your thoughts on each.

#1. Wes for a 5th rounder in 2008.

#2. Wes for Foxworth, straight up.

#3. Wes for Paymah and a 7th.

#4. Wes for a 5th and Reid.

I think #1 is most likely. #2 would be a great trade for both teams, but I don't think Shanahan or Broncos Nation wants to part with Fox, #3 would be a good deal for Denver and a marginal hosing for KC, and #4 would be a good deal for KC and a marginal hosing for Denver.
Not that you could make any of those trades but if you could pull of those steals you would deserve to be a GM.

beer bacon 07-24-2007 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun
Denver sees a talented player who's very unhappy in Kansas City.

They figure a change of scenery will inspire his play.

They might be right. It's not a bad gamble, but the mental errors Wes' makes have been pervasive throughout his career, and they've been exacerbated in recent years with his unhappiness on the team.
I can see why Denver wants Wesley on their team.

I don't see why they would initiate talks with us, with the honest goal of acquiring him, if they didn't also realize we would want more from them then a non-divisional opponent.

Mile High Mania 07-24-2007 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by beer bacon
I can see why Denver wants Wesley on their team.

I don't see why they would initiate talks with us, with the honest goal of acquiring him, if they didn't also realize we would want more from them then a non-divisional opponent.
Have you paid any attention to Shanahan when it comes to trades? I think he'll talk to and approach any team, with the exception of the Raiders. What's the harm with inquiring? Make a low ball offer and see what happens.

Shanahan isn't going to call Carl and say "Hey, I know we don't like each other... so, what if I gave you a R2 for that guy...".

Direckshun 07-24-2007 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
I'll take my chances with Cox and Abdullah the Butcher, I mean ... Wesley is a spare, right?
Cox and Abdullah are SS by nature, though, and I think making the transition to FS might be tricky for them. They're just third year players.

Wes is comfortable in the FS slot, and outside of Ferguson, you've got nothing there. Harris isn't likely to make the team, IMO.

Hammock Parties 07-24-2007 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Another team's trash is another team's treasure fairly regularly in the NFL.
Wesley isn't exactly trash or "a spare" as you mentioned. He has more interceptions in the last five years than every safety on your roster COMBINED.

Mile High Mania 07-24-2007 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun
Cox and Abdullah are SS by nature, though, and I think making the transition to FS might be tricky for them. They're just third year players.

Wes is comfortable in the FS slot, and outside of Ferguson, you've got nothing there. Harris isn't likely to make the team, IMO.
Again, who knows what will happen and we're not talking about a big name guy, so I'm not going to worry about anything until a deal is done. Some guy for a late round pick just doesn't do much for me. The only interesting piece is the 2 teams involved.

Ok - I'm out, later.

Mile High Mania 07-24-2007 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE
Wesley isn't exactly trash or "a spare" as you mentioned. He has more interceptions in the last five years than every safety on your roster COMBINED.
That's fantastic. Maybe you missed the point... he's trash in the sense that KC simply doesn't want him anymore and is looking for something in return rather than just cutting him. That equates to trash in my opinion.


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