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crazycoffey 09-28-2007 08:18 AM
What's an Audible?

damaticous 09-28-2007 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Adam
That game was close well into the second half, even though we went something like 40 minutes without a first down. Our defense was kicking Manning's ass.

Nobody is suggesting developing Huard. He proved last year he doesn't need to "develop". All I'm suggesting is that maybe, just maybe, we might have a chance to be competitive. On paper, we are about the same on offense as last year, and we are much improved on defense. Considering we went 9-7 last year, maybe we should at least get into October before we bail on the whole season and throw Croyle to the wolves.

If we hit 1-5, I'll join the "Start Croyle Now" crowd. But maybe we should just see what Huard can do this year first. If you are correct, our draft position will still be just fine, and Croyle should get some quality experience down the stretch.

I agree with you. if we go 1-5 I say start Croyle too. He obvously didn't beat Huard in the quarterback showdown in pre-season. Huard is a good QB. Has the QB rating to prove it. There's no need to ddevelop him any further.

If we do go 1-5 or so, I would then say start Croyle to get him more experience cause our season is probably shot at that point anyway. Might as well get the young guys some playing time.

But until that time I like Huard as QB. So he throws some pics? All QB's do.

Personally I think the main issue is with Solari and his play calling. I really think it's holind the offense back. It's been evident, but more so as the players (Huard and johnson) are starting to show their dislike of the play calling.

I say keep Huard...a proven QB.

Skip Towne 09-28-2007 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE
We ran 11 consecutive times on first down last week.

ELEVEN.
The other team gets to noticing that after awhile.

damaticous 09-28-2007 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian
I heard an interview with Huard last week where he was asked about audibles.....

He said they often call 2 plays in a "check with me", however its usually 2 runs or 2 passes, depending on the coverages or overloads which one they use.

It would seem to me to have an ability to audible to a pass when 9 guys crowd the line might be a good thing......


Oh, and if we're keeping score.....Huard sucks balls, and that is why he's a career backup.

Huard is no Manning, Montana, or Elway, but he is a good QB. He beat Croyle out for the job so he's all we have right now.

Iowanian 09-28-2007 08:44 AM
No he isn't.

The Chiefs were BEGGING Croyle to be the starter, and gave him every chance, but he made 3 shitty decisions/throws that forced them to start Huard.

Huard can't make all of the passes and NFL QB should make....his deep ball is weak, he apparently can't throw a swing pass in the flat, and I cringe every time he might attempt a 10 yard Out.

If Huard was in the neighborhood of a good qb....he'd have been a starter.

The only thing he did well was keep down his INTs.....and its because he gets scared and goes to the checkdown guy too often.

Stinger 09-28-2007 08:50 AM
Wasn't this an issue with Trent Green as well. I thought this came up after the Eagles debacle a couple of years ago. Maybe I am mistaken but I believe that is right.

damaticous 09-28-2007 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian
No he isn't.

The Chiefs were BEGGING Croyle to be the starter, and gave him every chance, but he made 3 shitty decisions/throws that forced them to start Huard.

Huard can't make all of the passes and NFL QB should make....his deep ball is weak, he apparently can't throw a swing pass in the flat, and I cringe every time he might attempt a 10 yard Out.

If Huard was in the neighborhood of a good qb....he'd have been a starter.

The only thing he did well was keep down his INTs.....and its because he gets scared and goes to the checkdown guy too often.

Opinions do vary. I believe you are right in that Croyle was pretty much given the starting job on a plate but he got beat out by Huard.

My opinion is that we have huard or Croyle for a starter, Huard won the competition even though Croyle had the job to loose. he lost. So Huard is our QB right now.

As Herm said if we need a spark maybe Croyle will be that spark later down the road.

I don't understand why Croyle should start right now. why? why go with a second best? If Croyle was the better person to play the position he would have won the competition (even though he was given every opportunity) and would now be our starter.


Now, what if Croyle had won the competition for the starting QB job and was having the same issues that Huard is having. Would people want Huard to start?

Mr. Arrowhead 09-28-2007 09:25 AM
Herm doesn want Huard to audible, to make him look bad, so he can make it Brodies time!

MGRS13 09-28-2007 09:32 AM
What kind of an audible would Huard call any way? Instead of a 2 yard pass would he just change the call to a 1 yard pass?

CoMoChief 09-28-2007 10:02 AM
It always puzzled me why we never really let Trent Green audible unless it was a 2 minute drill. He knew the offense better than anyone on this franchise. Not that our offense really needed to score any more than it did, but Trent calling his own plays IMO wouldnt have hurt us as well.

keg in kc 09-28-2007 10:16 AM
We haven't audibled for years. It's the scheme, not the players. Saunders didn't have audibles, either, just limited checks.

It's not unusual in today's NFL, either, as far as I know. Guys like Manning are the exception, not the rule.

keg in kc 09-28-2007 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by damaticous
Opinions do vary. I believe you are right in that Croyle was pretty much given the starting job on a plate but he got beat out by Huard.
Huard didn't beat Croyle out; he was on the sidelines for half the preseason, and was throwing picks when he wasn't. Croyle played himself out of the job because of two boneheaded throws in the preseason, despite clearly being the better QB throughout camp according to a virtual consensus of onsite reports, not to mention leading the only scoring drive by the 1s during a preseason game.

Our skittish (OMGz! Muzt win 9 gamez!) Pres/GM decided it was too risky to go young.

KCJohnny 09-28-2007 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian
If Huard was in the neighborhood of a good qb....he'd have been a starter.
Well.... let's see. Did he beat out Dan Marino in Miami for the #1 spot? Nope. Neither could 90% of the starting QBs today.

Did he beat out Tom Brady at NE? Nope. Neither could 90% of the starting QBs today.

He did beat out Trent Green who piloted the NFL's top offense from 2002-2005.

If he was backing up Kyle Boller or Rex Grossman for 10 years, you have a point.

Baby Lee 09-28-2007 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
Well.... let's see. Did he beat out Dan Marino in Miami for the #1 spot? Nope. Neither could 90% of the starting QBs today.

Did he beat out Tom Brady at NE? Nope. Neither could 90% of the starting QBs today.

He did beat out Trent Green who piloted the NFL's top offense from 2002-2005.

If he was backing up Kyle Boller or Rex Grossman for 10 years, you have a point.
I too failed to beat out Marino, Brady or Green. :p

jaa1025 09-28-2007 11:52 AM
Trent Green was never able to audible either...this has been discussed for years. It's the system and the QB has nothing to do with it. During the 2 Min drill, he might actually get some more freedom, but other than that....the QB calls the plays and only the plays that he is told to.


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