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KCJohnny 10-08-2007 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brent102fire
Let's see, the Chiefs have a Pro Bowler and one of the best backs in the NFL in LJ and a 2003 Pro Bowler in Michael Bennett. Both RB's cannot get going, both get hit as soon as they touch the ball and both have no holes to run through:

Bennett 18 Att, 49 yards in 5 games

LJ 84 Att, 275 yards in 5 games

I think the problem is the O-line, how can it be LJ?

LJ painted a bull's eye on himself with his hold out and fat contract, he's fair game in the media for that. However, the stats show that the problem is NOT LJ. LJ has nowhere to run and the playcalling hasn't helped him, either.

The Bad Guy 10-08-2007 06:03 PM

What's hilarious to me is that Mike Solari was the running game coordinator under Saunders, but he can't coordinate one worth a shit now.

Weiggman is not a legit NFL center anymore. The only holes Welbourn can create are the ones in his arm from his needles.

This right side of the O-line is the worst in the NFL.

chiefbowe82 10-08-2007 06:14 PM

i didn't post here

chiefbowe82 10-08-2007 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_CHIEFS_06
larry needs to take the ball and run, he takes it and tip toes around and gets gathered up. Take the damn ball and run with it


KCJohnny 10-08-2007 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
What's hilarious to me is that Mike Solari was the running game coordinator under Saunders, but he can't coordinate one worth a shit now.

Weiggman is not a legit NFL center anymore. The only holes Welbourn can create are the ones in his arm from his needles.

This right side of the O-line is the worst in the NFL.

Some would say the reason he got hired is because of KC's offensive line dominance. this appears to be a classic case of the players making the coach look great.

KC Jones 10-08-2007 06:24 PM

LJ is mailing it in. He's not trying to get yards, just shuffling around looking for the huge holes he used to have and going all PMS when they aren't there.

Back when the LJ vs. Holmes debates started, I used to say LJ was the better back for that line, because he had more top end speed and with those huge holes he could get 10+ yards on runs that Holmes was only getting 5-6 on. Now that our O-line isn't very good we could really use a runner like Holmes - someone that can power through tiny spaces and has quick feet. Not that a Holmes in his prime would be getting 4+ ypc behind this line, but he'd probably get you a good 3-4 ypc instead of this anemic shit diaper boy is putting up.

Dayze 10-08-2007 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole
Yesterday was a perfect example of LJ's lack of effort when compared to the Jacksonville backs. They'd fall forward for 2 yards, and LJ would fall down for 0.

He isn't running hard, and he isn't bouncing outside when there's no hole for him to hit. He's stuttering up to the pile half-assed and laying down.

sad to say, but that's true. While at the game yesterday, inside was plugged, he bounced out to the right, and was met by the CB; rather than turn it up field/initiate contact, he continued to get flushed where he went out of bounds upright.

KCJohnny 10-08-2007 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones
LJ is mailing it in. He's not trying to get yards, just shuffling around looking for the huge holes he used to have and going all PMS when they aren't there.

Back when the LJ vs. Holmes debates started, I used to say LJ was the better back for that line, because he had more top end speed and with those huge holes he could get 10+ yards on runs that Holmes was only getting 5-6 on. Now that our O-line isn't very good we could really use a runner like Holmes - someone that can power through tiny spaces and has quick feet. Not that a Holmes in his prime would be getting 4+ ypc behind this line, but he'd probably get you a good 3-4 ypc instead of this anemic shit diaper boy is putting up.

Michael Bennett has some of the quickest steps in the NFL, is 5'9" and he is getting nailed in the backfield as well. I'm not giving LJ a free pass, but this OL is failing anyone who tries to rush the football.

btlook1 10-08-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole
Yesterday was a perfect example of LJ's lack of effort when compared to the Jacksonville backs. They'd fall forward for 2 yards, and LJ would fall down for 0.

He isn't running hard, and he isn't bouncing outside when there's no hole for him to hit. He's stuttering up to the pile half-assed and laying down.

I think Bob Dole hit the nail on the head!

Otter 10-08-2007 07:24 PM

Yeah, it's Larry Johnson's fault not the asshats who haven't won a playoff game in 14 years up in the luxury boxes.

:rolleyes:

I need to take a break from this team.

BigChiefFan 10-08-2007 07:51 PM

Our run blocking is atrocious. Weigman doesn't fit smashmouth football, why do you think the Bears gave up on him? Mcintosh is better than Black, but not by much. I've seen him standing round looking for a player to block rather than intiate a block down field. Waters has had untimely penalties. Welbourn is a big son of a gun, but doesn't execute all of his assignments and Turley has flat out just lost a step. Terry has played better than Turls, but he isn't anything special. Kris Wilson absolutely sucks as a blocking FB and we want to blame LJ for our woes? No rushing TDs in the first five games equates to shitty blocking.

KCJohnny 10-08-2007 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan
Our run blocking is atrocious. Weigman doesn't fit smashmouth football, why do you think the Bears gave up on him? Mcintosh is better than Black, but not by much. I've seen him standing round looking for a player to block rather than intiate a block down field. Waters has had untimely penalties. Welbourn is a big son of a gun, but doesn't execute all of his assignments and Turley has flat out just lost a step. Terry has played better than Turls, but he isn't anything special. Kris Wilson absolutely sucks as a blocking FB and we want to blame LJ for our woes? No rushing TDs in the first five games equates to shitty blocking.

:thumb:

That's a great take.

Buehler445 10-08-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan
Our run blocking is atrocious. Weigman doesn't fit smashmouth football, why do you think the Bears gave up on him? Mcintosh is better than Black, but not by much. I've seen him standing round looking for a player to block rather than intiate a block down field. Waters has had untimely penalties. Welbourn is a big son of a gun, but doesn't execute all of his assignments and Turley has flat out just lost a step. Terry has played better than Turls, but he isn't anything special. Kris Wilson absolutely sucks as a blocking FB and we want to blame LJ for our woes? No rushing TDs in the first five games equates to shitty blocking.

Kyle Turley was hurt the last two weeks IIRC. I think when he is healthy (haha, yeah right) he is reasonably serviceable, from what I've seen, which is admitedly not much. I think most of what I am upset about is Waters. He is getting beat and getting a lot of penalties. I'm sure a lot of it is coming from this line not being able to win any battles, but he is supposed to be the real deal.

I have been pleased with the pass protection. We have been in A LOT of obvious pass situations, and they have held up. However, watching the run blocking usually leads to this... :cuss: :cuss: :banghead:

KCJohnny 10-08-2007 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445
Kyle Turley was hurt the last two weeks IIRC. I think when he is healthy (haha, yeah right) he is reasonably serviceable, from what I've seen, which is admitedly not much. I think most of what I am upset about is Waters. He is getting beat and getting a lot of penalties. I'm sure a lot of it is coming from this line not being able to win any battles, but he is supposed to be the real deal.

I have been pleased with the pass protection. We have been in A LOT of obvious pass situations, and they have held up. However, watching the run blocking usually leads to this... :cuss: :cuss: :banghead:

Buehler brings up a good point. These guys CAN pass protect. Which begs the question, which RB is better in the draws/delays a la Holmes? Might be a good idea to give Bennett a try in spread formations and see if he can scat/juke some yardage. Other than that, we're hosed in the I-formation.

bdeg 10-09-2007 12:57 AM

That's another thing. What's with all these sh*tty swing passes to LJ while he's still in the backfield? Seems like we always call it when the opposing defense is in a zone, and it always goes for a loss. Just so many wasted plays checking down.

I'd rather see LJ run around the lines and catch a ball ten yards down field.

Also reminds me... Consider how when Ty Law played way off their receiver they ran 12 yards, curled and caught. When they were playing off of Bowe, we throw it to him at the line and he has to make a guy miss to get any yardage.

Why can't WE do that?


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