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suds79 02-27-2008 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 4605274)
I absolutely hate the idea of drafting Gholston at #5. I don't believe he can be an effective LB in the Cover 2 scheme at his weight and speed, and with as many needs as KC has, you can't wrap up that much money on 3 DE's. The only way I would be in favor of Gholston is if Jared Allen was traded for two first round picks...

And to think Hali hasn't been productive in his first two seasons is ridiculous. He has been a very solid player, and will get better (and healthier) in year 3 and beyond.
:clap::clap::clap:

The guy has a monster workout at the combine and now all of a sudden everybody and their mom wants him here.

Outside of the Giants, I would argue that no other team has a better starting pair of DEs.... and people want us to take another DE with all our needs in other spots. :rolleyes:

Chiefnj2 02-27-2008 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 4605273)
No more than I was concerned about Jared Allen his first 2 years, or Hali now...
I don't recall seeing Hali or Allen getting pancaked by WR's. Neither was a top 5 pick either.

BigChiefFan 02-27-2008 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 4605274)
I absolutely hate the idea of drafting Gholston at #5. I don't believe he can be an effective LB in the Cover 2 scheme at his weight and speed, and with as many needs as KC has, you can't wrap up that much money on 3 DE's. The only way I would be in favor of Gholston is if Jared Allen was traded for two first round picks...

And to think Hali hasn't been productive in his first two seasons is ridiculous. He has been a very solid player, and will get better (and healthier) in year 3 and beyond.
Again, Hali can MOVE to the INSIDE, but just in case you think Gholston doesn't have coverage skills, here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lzbj...eature=related

beach tribe 02-27-2008 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 4605274)
I absolutely hate the idea of drafting Gholston at #5. I don't believe he can be an effective LB in the Cover 2 scheme at his weight and speed, and with as many needs as KC has, you can't wrap up that much money on 3 DE's. The only way I would be in favor of Gholston is if Jared Allen was traded for two first round picks...

And to think Hali hasn't been productive in his first two seasons is ridiculous. He has been a very solid player, and will get better (and healthier) in year 3 and beyond.
I think we should forget about this guy. Is he bad ass? Yes. in a 3-4.

Why spend a pick this high on a player who will be situational for us.

It makes no sense. move along, nothing to see here.

beach tribe 02-27-2008 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4605286)
Again, Hali can MOVE to the INSIDE, but just in case you think Gholston doesn't have coverage skills, here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lzbj...eature=related
Are you serious?

htismaqe 02-27-2008 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 4605282)
:clap::clap::clap:

The guy has a monster workout at the combine and now all of a sudden everybody and their mom wants him here.

Outside of the Giants, I would argue that no other team has a better starting pair of DEs.... and people want us to take another DE with all our needs in other spots. :rolleyes:
First of all, people here were talking about Gholston as our pick in JANUARY, well before the combine.

And second, the Giants have THREE high-dollar defensive ends, plus Matthias Kiwanuka.

BigChiefFan 02-27-2008 09:06 PM
Some of you just don't get it, he's the best player available if he's there at 5. He will start and so will Jared Allen and Tamba Hali all at the same time to think otherwise is just not seeing the big picture.


This is the GROUND floor for the Chiefs- we need help at EVERY position.

BTW, Gholston has always been considered by those in the know as a top 10 pick, PRIOR to the combine.

BigChiefFan 02-27-2008 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4605287)
Are you serious?
Dude, was he playing on the line? NO, he was in COVERAGE. He played BOTH LBer AND DE at Ohio State.

TRR 02-27-2008 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4605286)
Again, Hali can MOVE to the INSIDE, but just in case you think Gholston doesn't have coverage skills, here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lzbj...eature=related
Hali struggles against the run at DE. He can't move to the inside and play DT???

Also, why take a situational pass rusher at #5??

htismaqe 02-27-2008 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 4605298)
Hali struggles against the run at DE. He can't move to the inside and play DT???

Also, why take a situational pass rusher at #5??
He played inside at PSU and when he was drafted, Gunther and Herm both talked at length about wanting to use him inside.

As to your second question, we took DT at #4.

TRR 02-27-2008 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4605292)
Some of you just don't get it, he's the best player available if he's there at 5. He will start and so will Jared Allen and Tamba Hali all at the same time to think otherwise is just not seeing the big picture.


This is the GROUND floor for the Chiefs- we need help at EVERY position.

BTW, Gholston has always been considered by those in the know as a top 10 pick, PRIOR to the combine.
OLB isn't a need for KC at #5. Offensive Tackle and Defensive Tackle are needs at #5. Derrick Johnson and Donnie Edwards could play at a very high level for the next several years. It just doesn't make sense.

TRR 02-27-2008 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 4605307)
He played inside at PSU and when he was drafted, Gunther and Herm both talked at length about wanting to use him inside.

As to your second question, we took DT at #4.
I understand that. But that was two years ago. I think everyone should be fairly familiar with Hali's game...And there is no way he should play a snap at DT.

BigChiefFan 02-27-2008 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 4605312)
OLB isn't a need for KC at #5. Offensive Tackle and Defensive Tackle are needs at #5. Derrick Johnson and Donnie Edwards could play at a very high level for the next several years. It just doesn't make sense.
Drafting for need gets you Ryan Sims.

htismaqe 02-27-2008 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 4605312)
OLB isn't a need for KC at #5. Offensive Tackle and Defensive Tackle are needs at #5. Derrick Johnson and Donnie Edwards could play at a very high level for the next several years. It just doesn't make sense.
Expecting Donnie Edwards to play at a high level NEXT year is somewhat risky, let alone the next several. Guys at his age can break down suddenly and rapidly.

TRR 02-27-2008 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4605321)
Drafting for need gets you Ryan Sims.
Now that's just dumb. You can't possibly compare a player like Glen Dorsey or Jake Long to Ryan Sims.

Dumb point...


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