I see the point. There's no way he would remain intact behind this Oline this year. Let Croyle get shitbeat, exit about Week 2. Let Huard come in and take his lumps.

Let Ryan take over fully in 2009 with an upgraded line.

Id be down with that. Most teams that have stopgap QB's do this.

Even Eli didnt start until halfway or towards the end of his his rookie year. The Giants had Kurt Warner to take the lumps.

I guess I'm more optimistic about the OL than you are.

IMO, no matter WHO plays, it will be better than last year, because dumbass Solari won't be hanging them all out to dry.

A reeruned monkey on a meth bender could do a better job of situational play calling than Solari did.

People are so worried about "David Carr-ing" a QB.

If this kid is as mentally tough and a great leader that some claim him to be, getting beat up a bit isn't going to shell-shock him.

Get him building a rapport with Bowe and the others ASAP.

By the time this kid hits his stride (approximately 3-4 years after getting the starting gig, see: Rivers, Philip and Manning, Eli) Dwayne Bowe is going to be twenty-****ing-eight years old.

Agreed. David Carr had more than enough chances to prove himself. People can make all the excuses they want for him but he just wasnt very good.

At some point a good QB will rise above his situation, make plays and lift the team up around him.

Exactly.

People just assume that the OL ruined a #1 overall pick, when really it was that the kid just didn't have some combination of the talent, smarts and heart to play at this level.

Christ, John Elway is the most sacked QB of all time. He turned out OK.

If he's there at 5 they have to take him period.

And I'm fine with that, provided they play him.

Which, of course, they won't.

Even if Dorsey or Ellis is there?

Whats the most important position on any NFL team??

Well if you're going to play dumb, I believe you were the one who said Croyle can do anything that Ryan can do.

To make a statement like that you must place a priority on pure arm strength, because that's the only area anyone would agree that Croyle can compete with Ryan.

Yeah, and where is just arm strength come into it? I've never said that. I was a Trent Green backer too, and the man never had a strong arm.

well, if you believe he is a franchise QB then you have to take him....

QB is the most important position on the team, and the most important face of the franchise....

Like I just said, every single analyst would agree that the only area that Croyle can match or beat Ryan is in arm strength. That is why Ryan is a top five overall prospect and Croyle was a middle-round nobody.

Thus, if you think Croyle can do everything that Ryan can do, you must place a HUGE priority on arm strength.

Again, where do I say this? Really, point it out to me where I say I favor Croyle because he has a stronger arm. I've said this over and over the reason why I don't like the Ryan pick is it would be a lateral move.

Considering Ryan has yet to play a NFL game, I'm not sure how you can say that.

The only thing you can say with any certainty that Ryan > Croyle is injury history while in college.

Otherwise, their college stats are similar.

Ryan 60% completion percentage, Croyle 56%

Croyle 13 yards per attempt, Ryan 11.5

Croyle 1.86 TD's per INT, Ryan 1.51



Matt Ryan is no more guaranteed to be a good NFL QB than Croyle is to bust.

Crapshoot.